WCSox Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 28, 2009 -> 12:55 PM) You don't understand. Ozzie isn't keeping him down in the lineup because he's a rookie and he wants to protect him. He's keeping him down in the lineup because he's a rookie and Ozzie is an old-school motherf***er. And that "old-school motherf***er" actually knows how to handle and develop young players. Unlike Soxtalk posters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 28, 2009 -> 12:57 PM) BECAUSE HE HAS MORE POWER THAN ANYONE IN OUR LINEUP! Not this season. Dye is out-slugging him, yet Dye is hitting 3rd. Explain that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 QUOTE (WCSox @ Jul 28, 2009 -> 02:59 PM) And that "old-school motherf***er" actually knows how to handle and develop young players. Unlike Soxtalk posters. Ya, I'm done trying argue with you. You clearly know more about making a lineup than anyone in the universe. Why don't we just bat Thome lead-off then? He has a .400 OBP!!!!!!!!!!1one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 (edited) This back and forth exchange is providing plenty of laughs. Thanks. By laughs i meant head shakes. Edited July 28, 2009 by qwerty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 28, 2009 -> 01:01 PM) Ya, I'm done trying argue with you. You clearly know more about making a lineup than anyone in the universe. No, I defer to people who actually know what they're doing, like Ozzie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 I'd be good with it, but honestly, Ramirez is doing fine there, so I don't care much either way right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 QUOTE (WCSox @ Jul 28, 2009 -> 03:00 PM) Not this season. Dye is out-slugging him, yet Dye is hitting 3rd. Explain that one. Your 2 hole hitter is usually your best handler of the bat. Best contact ratio, best ability to hit to all fields Because your 3 hole hitter is usually your best hitter. Your Cleanup guy is your best power guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 QUOTE (WCSox @ Jul 28, 2009 -> 03:01 PM) No, I defer to people who actually know what they're doing, like Ozzie. Oh sorry, I didn't know you worked for the f***ing organization. Get it through your f***ing skull. He's not protecting Beckham from anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 QUOTE (qwerty @ Jul 28, 2009 -> 03:01 PM) This back and forth exchange is providing plenty of laughs. Thanks. By laughs i meant head shakes. Please tell me I'm not the retarded one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmywins1 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 QUOTE (WCSox @ Jul 28, 2009 -> 04:01 PM) No, I defer to people who actually know what they're doing, like Ozzie. Seriously considering DeWayne Wise a leadoff hitter insinuates that Ozzie doesn't have a great idea of what he is doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Jul 28, 2009 -> 03:02 PM) Your 2 hole hitter is usually your best handler of the bat. Best contact ratio, best ability to hit to all fields Because your 3 hole hitter is usually your best hitter. Your Cleanup guy is your best power guy. No, that doesn't make any sense at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Jul 28, 2009 -> 01:02 PM) Your 2 hole hitter is usually your best handler of the bat. Best contact ratio, best ability to hit to all fields Because your 3 hole hitter is usually your best hitter. Your Cleanup guy is your best power guy. That sounds about right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 Guys, this argument is silly. Thome hits 4th to break up what would otherwise be a procession of power hitting right handers. Secondly, the guy is a run producer for 15 years. You're not going to bat him second all the sudden because his OBP is .400. It is important for your leadoff hitter to get on base. We all know that. It is important for your second hitter to move that runner along, whether that be with the bunt, hitting the ball to the right side, whatever. It is also important that he be a good fastball hitter, because, presumably the middle order hitters are your run producers and so your table setters are going to see strikes, which most pitchers happen to throw most commonly with their fastballs. It's not rocket science, certainly not in our dugout anyways. So don't try and turn it into that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 28, 2009 -> 01:02 PM) Oh sorry, I didn't know you worked for the f***ing organization. Get it through your f***ing skull. He's not protecting Beckham from anything. You've been playing too much fantasy sports and too many video games. QUOTE (Jimmywins1 @ Jul 28, 2009 -> 01:03 PM) Seriously considering DeWayne Wise a leadoff hitter insinuates that Ozzie doesn't have a great idea of what he is doing. His track record as a manager disagrees with that. So does his development of Garland, Jenks, Danks, Floyd, and now Beckham. Say what you want about his lineups (and I'll often agree with you), but Ozzie knows how to develop young players. Edited July 28, 2009 by WCSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 QUOTE (WCSox @ Jul 28, 2009 -> 03:05 PM) That sounds about right. That's EXACTLY what I've been arguing this entire time. Who has more bat control than anyone on our roster? Beckham. Who has been our best, most well-rounded hitter? Dye. Who has the most power on our team? Thome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 QUOTE (WCSox @ Jul 28, 2009 -> 03:07 PM) You've been playing too much fantasy sports and too many video games. His track record as a manager disagrees with that. So does his development of Jenks, Danks, Floyd, and now Beckham. 1st of all, don't talk to me like I'm a f***ing moron. I don't give a s*** about fantasy sports or MLB video games. 2nd, developing pitches and hitters is WAY different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 28, 2009 -> 01:07 PM) Who has the most power on our team? Thome Dye. Edited for accuracy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 QUOTE (WCSox @ Jul 28, 2009 -> 03:07 PM) His track record as a manager disagrees with that. So does his development of Jenks, Danks, Floyd, and now Beckham. I'll give you the fact that he is good with players. That may help the development of young kids. But he didn't want Beckham even here. He pencils him into the lineup every day out of sheer necessity. I don't see how that is showing great developmental skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 28, 2009 -> 01:08 PM) 1st of all, don't talk to me like I'm a f***ing moron. I don't give a s*** about fantasy sports or video games. It's nice to see that you can control your emotions and have an intelligent discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 QUOTE (WCSox @ Jul 28, 2009 -> 03:09 PM) It's nice to see that you can control your emotions and have an intelligent discussion. How can I have an intelligent conversation with some who is not intelligent in regards to the topic at hand? "Explain that one." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 28, 2009 -> 03:09 PM) I'll give you the fact that he is good with players. That may help the development of young kids. But he didn't want Beckham even here. He pencils him into the lineup every day out of sheer necessity. I don't see how that is showing great developmental skills. Ozzie said that because he wanted the guys in the clubhouse to not worry about looking over their shoulder everyday, and so that they wouldn't have to worry about the manager undercutting them. Its to keep the clubhouse in tact, nothing else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 QUOTE (WCSox @ Jul 28, 2009 -> 03:08 PM) Edited for accuracy Yeah, because he has more 2B and his slugging percentage is higher, he's clearly our best power hitter. The fact that he's been a clean-up hitter his entire career means nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 28, 2009 -> 01:09 PM) But he didn't want Beckham even here. He pencils him into the lineup every day out of sheer necessity. I don't see how that is showing great developmental skills. Keeping Beckham at the bottom of the order and taking pressure off of him (when he must be here out of sheer necessity) is part of that development process. Beckham's only 22. How many 22-year-olds are in the bigs? How many of them hit at the top of the lineup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 28, 2009 -> 03:10 PM) Ozzie said that because he wanted the guys in the clubhouse to not worry about looking over their shoulder everyday, and so that they wouldn't have to worry about the manager undercutting them. Its to keep the clubhouse in tact, nothing else. He did? Doesn't that sort of contradict all the stuff he said to guys like Fields and Anderson then? He threatened those two all the time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 28, 2009 Share Posted July 28, 2009 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 28, 2009 -> 03:13 PM) He did? Doesn't that sort of contradict all the stuff he said to guys like Fields and Anderson then? He threatened those two all the time... After they failed repeatedly and questioned Ozzie about it... That would be a little different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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