Chisoxfn Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 White Flag Part Two? By Alex E. SoxNet.net As the trade deadline approaches, and the White Sox are playing God-awful baseball, now three back in the AL Central, one has to wonder if maybe they shouldn't be buyers. It's already been twelve years since the infamous White Flag Trade. Should they be considering a second installment?Full Article At the Link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 30, 2009 Author Share Posted July 30, 2009 There is absolutely no way I could endorse a White flag trade. The Sox have the best pitching in the division (Porcello is fading fast in Detroit and the Tigers pen is not near as good as the Sox pen (Jenks has a track-record and will be fine)) and at the end of the day pitching is king. The offensive slump isn't nice but they'll break back out of it shortly and the only major concern in my mind is whether the Sox defense will allow them to be legit players. Too many games does there poor defense show up (even if it doesn't count as an error, they have horrible range in the outfield and a lot of the roster makes bone-head plays). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 f*** you, Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 ha, it was more of a devil's advocate article Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 29, 2009 -> 11:45 PM) ha, it was more of a devil's advocate article I didn't get past the downer lead-in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 This dovetails nicely with J4L's giveup-on-everything column. Nicely done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 If Alexei is out for an extended time our defense will be better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 This team is so hard to read. I could see a white flag trade, not trading at all, trading for a big player or just trading one player, like Dotel. I'm glad I don't have to make these choices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 The White Sox learned their lesson the last time they unloaded when they were 3 games in back of a much better team than the 2009 Detroit Tigers. Besides, other than Dye, there really isn't much for the White Sox to trade that will net you anything better than Jon Adkins. So really you're looking at trading Dye for some prospects, and I believe his option for next season goes up $1 million if he's traded, so considering his age, his range, and finances, the prospects may only be B prospects, or trying to beat Detroit with JD. Thome, Dotel, Linebrink, Contreras, they aren't going to net you can't miss prospects. Pods isn't going to get you much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Escobar Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 09:57 AM) The White Sox learned their lesson the last time they unloaded when they were 3 games in back of a much better team than the 2009 Detroit Tigers. Besides, other than Dye, there really isn't much for the White Sox to trade that will net you anything better than Jon Adkins. So really you're looking at trading Dye for some prospects, and I believe his option for next season goes up $1 million if he's traded, so considering his age, his range, and finances, the prospects may only be B prospects, or trying to beat Detroit with JD. Thome, Dotel, Linebrink, Contreras, they aren't going to net you can't miss prospects. Pods isn't going to get you much. Well the one thing Kenny has in his pocket with a couple of those guys is that they can give us their "A" prospects because they'll be receiving type-a compensation for them. So I know he won;t get a huge package for some of those guys but if he is smart - he can deal Dye for one top prospect (similar to Sanchez to SF) and possibly even Dotel who is also a Type-A pitcher for some reason. Thats why a team will sell one of their better guys to us for a stretch run. They'll have moveable contracts next season if it fails and they'll get 2 picks for the guys. If Kenny can't get that kind of a haul - then there is no point in trading our Type-A or B players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 07:57 AM) The White Sox learned their lesson the last time they unloaded when they were 3 games in back of a much better team than the 2009 Detroit Tigers. Besides, other than Dye, there really isn't much for the White Sox to trade that will net you anything better than Jon Adkins. So really you're looking at trading Dye for some prospects, and I believe his option for next season goes up $1 million if he's traded, so considering his age, his range, and finances, the prospects may only be B prospects, or trying to beat Detroit with JD. Thome, Dotel, Linebrink, Contreras, they aren't going to net you can't miss prospects. Pods isn't going to get you much. The Angels might be interested in renting Thome for a month and a half, as Vlad hasn't exactly been kicking ass this season. It would depend on whether or not Thome wants a shot at a ring badly enough to be a platooning DH. That would be a real long-shot. It would make more sense to hold onto Dye and Thome, and take the draft picks if they're let go this winter. If the Sox continue to falter over the next couple of weeks, putting Dotel, Contreras, and Pods on waivers would be a good idea. It'd be worth seeing if Kenny could get something halfway decent in return for one or more of them. Edited July 30, 2009 by WCSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 I'm glad I'm not in KW's shoes because selling is a smart baseball decision, but as a business decision could be a disaster. I would have traded Dye for Alderson in an instant, however Sabean is a bad GM, and I doubt you could get that kind of return from another team. I kind of wish they would sell because I am intrested in winning baseball and would rather them let the kids play, just for the sake of change. As a fan, to me at least, selling makes sense. You have an old, over the hill team for the most part who are to be free agents after this year. Do you think Thome wouldn't accept a trade to someone like the Angels or Boston for a chance at a title? I would rather the Sox trade these guys straight up for an impact prospect than trade them for a package of B guys. But this is what I'd do. For some fans, selling could be seen as a big f*** you, we don't care about winning, we only care about making money. However, to me this is how the baseball dumb would see it, and the smart baseball fans IMO, should see selling as the correct baseball decision and a step forward in creating a new identity for this team, as well as moving toward consistent, winning baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 QUOTE (Pumpkin Escobar @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 10:20 AM) Well the one thing Kenny has in his pocket with a couple of those guys is that they can give us their "A" prospects because they'll be receiving type-a compensation for them. So I know he won;t get a huge package for some of those guys but if he is smart - he can deal Dye for one top prospect (similar to Sanchez to SF) and possibly even Dotel who is also a Type-A pitcher for some reason. Thats why a team will sell one of their better guys to us for a stretch run. They'll have moveable contracts next season if it fails and they'll get 2 picks for the guys. If Kenny can't get that kind of a haul - then there is no point in trading our Type-A or B players. KW isn't going to offer arb to these players because if they accept, he will be screwed. There is no White Flag II available. Alvarez was 9-8 with a 3.03 ERA. Hernandez was 5-1 with 27 saves, and they weren't making huge money. The current White Sox don't have this kinds of players to sell. And while Barcelo, Caruso, Foulke and Howry was a nice haul, was it franchise-changing? Hardly. Barcelo and Caruso busted. Howry got hurt and was released. Foulke had some success but was eventually traded for a washed-up Billy Koch. Foulke and Howry did help the White Sox win a division, yet with all the PR damage it would seem to me they could have acquired a closer and set up guy in some other fashion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 09:17 AM) If Alexei is out for an extended time our defense will be better. Yep, especially with Nix as his replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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