southsider2k5 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,1731743.story Chicago White Sox manager upset with Bartolo Colon Ozzie Guillen says elbow injury shouldn't have been a surprise revelation July 30, 2009 MINNEAPOLIS -- Bartolo Colon's swollen right elbow came as an unpleasant surprise to White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen. "I was upset because our trainers didn't even know anything about the situation," Guillen said Wednesday after learning Tuesday night that Colon couldn't start the series finale at Minnesota and would be placed on the 15-day disabled list. "When we got the news, I talked to [trainer] Hermie Schneider about it. He didn't have anything about it. I had the [trainer's report] and I don't see anything with Colon, and all of a sudden he couldn't [pitch]. "[General manager] Ken Williams wasn't too happy. ... I think [Colon] handled it the wrong way. You feel something, you should tell the trainers where you're at." Guillen said he found out Colon couldn't pitch through bench coach Joey Cora. Guillen then approached Schneider, who said Colon didn't express any discomfort to him. Before batting practice, Colon played dominoes with Alexei Ramirez, Jose Contreras, Octavio Dotel and Tony Pena. Colon's injury could have been caused by the high number of breaking pitches he threw against Detroit in his first big-league start in nearly two months after recovering from swelling in his left knee. Left-hander Clayton Richard will be reinstated in the rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Before batting practice, Colon played dominoes with Alexei Ramirez, Jose Contreras, Octavio Dotel and Tony Pena. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Good maybe they will dump him now!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Another article about Colon Colon Mum on Injury, Irks Guillen, White Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 I'm sorry, between "Ozzie pissed at Colon" and "Maybe they will dump him now" I'm still enough of a 12 year old boy to snicker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Can we end the Colon debacle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 I like how KW complains about salary restraints but has no problem blowing an easy million on Colon... and i don't want to hear it was a relatively cheap risk w/ a high possible return... anybody that saw how much he weighed should know he was an injury waiting to happen, esp. with his past. This front office is having a rough year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenryan Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Time for the Sox to cleanse Colon from the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 QUOTE (Special K @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 12:40 PM) I like how KW complains about salary restraints but has no problem blowing an easy million on Colon... and i don't want to hear it was a relatively cheap risk w/ a high possible return... anybody that saw how much he weighed should know he was an injury waiting to happen, esp. with his past. This front office is having a rough year. Well I'm gonna say it, because it's true. It was a low risk move that had potential to pay off for us. And for a fifth starter, we could have had worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 30, 2009 Author Share Posted July 30, 2009 QUOTE (Special K @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 11:40 AM) I like how KW complains about salary restraints but has no problem blowing an easy million on Colon... and i don't want to hear it was a relatively cheap risk w/ a high possible return... anybody that saw how much he weighed should know he was an injury waiting to happen, esp. with his past. This front office is having a rough year. A million dollars is two minor leaguers. It is nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEdWalsh Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 10:48 AM) Well I'm gonna say it, because it's true. It was a low risk move that had potential to pay off for us. And for a fifth starter, we could have had worse. How true. I agree, could have had worse and have had worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 10:48 AM) Well I'm gonna say it, because it's true. It was a low risk move that had potential to pay off for us. And for a fifth starter, we could have had worse. Exactly. Just compare it to the money that Epstein is paying Smoltz - 5 to 10 times as much, depending on the incentives he meets - for much greater suckage. Brad Penny too, for that matter. Yet the world still bends over to lick Theo's butt crack. Don't get me wrong, he's a great GM, but so many on here seem to want to believe that KW is the only one who ever makes a mistake, which I'm not even sure that Fatolo is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Left-hander Clayton Richard will be reinstated in the rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 11:35 AM) I'm sorry, between "Ozzie pissed at Colon" and "Maybe they will dump him now" I'm still enough of a 12 year old boy to snicker. I didn't even notice that until you pointed it out, and then I laughed out loud. And yes, this sounds like the end of Colon in a White Sox uniform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 11:48 AM) Well I'm gonna say it, because it's true. It was a low risk move that had potential to pay off for us. And for a fifth starter, we could have had worse. I realize it was a low risk move, but it was an obvious low reward move... They should have known he was going to be awful by simply looking at what kind of shape he was in and the velocity on his fastball. Instead of trying to fill the rotation internally, it took them a waste of $1m to consider putting the younger, and in much better shape Clayton Richard. Now they've sunk even more money into Freddy Garcia who will not pitch for the Sox this year either. This amount of $ starts to add up, and whether it is $1.5 or $2 million, it is a lot, even though those of us who don't manage a payroll think it isn't. Maybe an extra $2 million would have been better used pursuing other players like Orlando Hudson at the beginning of the year, and we wouldn't have had to deal with this lead-off garbage to begin with. Edited July 30, 2009 by Special K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 30, 2009 Author Share Posted July 30, 2009 QUOTE (Special K @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 01:38 PM) I realize it was a low risk move, but it was an obvious low reward move... They should have known he was going to be awful by simply looking at what kind of shape he was in and the velocity on his fastball. Instead of trying to fill the rotation internally, it took them a waste of $1m to consider putting the younger, and in much better shape Clayton Richard. Now they've sunk even more money into Freddy Garcia who will not pitch for the Sox this year either. This amount of $ starts to add up, and whether it is $1.5 or $2 million, it is a lot, even though those of us who don't manage a payroll think it isn't. Maybe an extra $2 million would have been better used pursuing other players like Orlando Hudson at the beginning of the year, and we wouldn't have had to deal with this lead-off garbage to begin with. Two million dollars doesn't get us Hudson, heck it probably doesn't even pay for a half of the season.... http://www.insidesocal.com/dodgers/2009/02...act-detail.html $380,000 signing bonus, deferred without interest to a time not designated $3 million base salary for 2009 $150,000 each for 150 and 175 plate appearances $200,000 each for 200, 225, 250, 275 and 300 plate appearances $250,000 each for 325, 350, 375, 400, 425, 450, 475, 500, 525, 550, 575 PAs and then, there is this: $10,000 for EVERY plate appearance from PA #576 through PA #632. That's 57 PAs for total of $570,000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 The dominoes quote is priceless. love to know what the other players think of Bartolo. Considering how much Reinsdorf loves Hermie, can't believe he would be pleased to hear that Bart is playing BS games with the training staff. Get rid of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 QUOTE (Special K @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 02:38 PM) I realize it was a low risk move, but it was an obvious low reward move... They should have known he was going to be awful by simply looking at what kind of shape he was in and the velocity on his fastball. Instead of trying to fill the rotation internally, it took them a waste of $1m to consider putting the younger, and in much better shape Clayton Richard. Now they've sunk even more money into Freddy Garcia who will not pitch for the Sox this year either. This amount of $ starts to add up, and whether it is $1.5 or $2 million, it is a lot, even though those of us who don't manage a payroll think it isn't. Maybe an extra $2 million would have been better used pursuing other players like Orlando Hudson at the beginning of the year, and we wouldn't have had to deal with this lead-off garbage to begin with. Methinks someone's complaining for the sake of complaining... I find it fascinating that you think the Sox should have known he'd suck (which he actually hasn't too badly considering he is the 5th starter) after he performed decent in the few starts he made at the end of last year. And being in shape has nothing to do with it. In fact, claiming Richard would be better because he was "younger and in much better shape" is funny. Pitchers don't have to be in perfect shape. Look at many closers, Sabathia, and Wells for example. Very few people were up in arms about this at the start of the year, but hindsight is 20/20 isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
son of a rude Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Lets DFA his ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHolyBovine Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Ozzie should be thanking Colon for protecting him from his own stupidity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 01:49 PM) Two million dollars doesn't get us Hudson, heck it probably doesn't even pay for a half of the season.... http://www.insidesocal.com/dodgers/2009/02...act-detail.html I never said it would pay for him, I said it would help us pursue Hudson, there is a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 02:13 PM) Methinks someone's complaining for the sake of complaining... I find it fascinating that you think the Sox should have known he'd suck (which he actually hasn't too badly considering he is the 5th starter) after he performed decent in the few starts he made at the end of last year. And being in shape has nothing to do with it. In fact, claiming Richard would be better because he was "younger and in much better shape" is funny. Pitchers don't have to be in perfect shape. Look at many closers, Sabathia, and Wells for example. Very few people were up in arms about this at the start of the year, but hindsight is 20/20 isn't it? In the past 4 years Colon has thrown roughly 250 innings, that's the equivalent of a little over 1 season. That's the kind of shape I am referring to when considering signing a guy. And pitchers who look like Colon is not the norm in baseball, that is why people do make a big deal about guys like Wells (whose own career was cut short thanks to his weight) and Sabathia. But weight isn't even the issue, I'm just making the point that sinking money into rehab projects like Colon and Garcia is a waste of $ and should not be done if your GM is going to spend that kind of money on those guys and then cry about salary restraints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 30, 2009 Author Share Posted July 30, 2009 QUOTE (Special K @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 03:21 PM) I never said it would pay for him, I said it would help us pursue Hudson, there is a difference. If it isn't enough money to get him, what help is that??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 05:01 PM) If it isn't enough money to get him, what help is that??? Don't bother. KW was wrong. It was a mistake. Blah blah blah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (Special K @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 03:31 PM) In the past 4 years Colon has thrown roughly 250 innings, that's the equivalent of a little over 1 season. That's the kind of shape I am referring to when considering signing a guy. And pitchers who look like Colon is not the norm in baseball, that is why people do make a big deal about guys like Wells (whose own career was cut short thanks to his weight) and Sabathia. But weight isn't even the issue, I'm just making the point that sinking money into rehab projects like Colon and Garcia is a waste of $ and should not be done if your GM is going to spend that kind of money on those guys and then cry about salary restraints. David Wells pitched for 20 years. I would hardly call his career shortened by his weight problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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