LittleHurt05 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/31/sports/b...tml?_r=1&hp This is just funny how they keep leaking one or two names at a time. We all know most sluggers at the time were on the juice, just release the list already and get it over with... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Here we go again. Man, that was an incredible Boston offense in 2003. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Hm, I wonder if Hawk changes his tune in regards to the best duo he has ever seen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPN366 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Shocking. I've always known those two weren't innocent. I thought it was funny how you almost never heard any speculation about them being on steroids, but everybody else was under suspicion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Well, that wasn't obvious... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Will be curious if Gammons comes out defending the Red Sox like he normally does (when the Manny story broke this year he basically said he didn't think there was a chance he was on it with the Red Sox) or if ESPN just keeps him away from the story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 I'm shocked!!! So you're saying he didn't starting putting up Hall of Fame numbers for a period of time because he simply changed his hitting philosophy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Hey you know what... We actually swept a team who depended on two juicers back in 05. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 So at what point does their World Series win in '04 get tarnished? I'm of the opinion that it already is. I would love to hear what Schilling has to say about htis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 11:44 AM) So at what point does their World Series win in '04 get tarnished? I'm of the opinion that it already is. I would love to hear what Schilling has to say about htis. This is a glorious day for Yankees fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPN366 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 They looked shell shocked on ESPN. Steve Phillips is pretty much being an apologist for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Wow Big Shocker here.... it will be hilarious to watch ESPN now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 If true Ortiz has a whole lot of backtracking to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 05:46 PM) This is a glorious day for Yankees fans. Someone needs to link that incredible Bill Simmons article the day the Manny news first broke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 QUOTE (JPN366 @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 11:46 AM) They looked shell shocked on ESPN. Steve Phillips is pretty much being an apologist for them. I wouldn't be suprised if ESPN turns to a "everybody did it" tact and start spewing that basically everyone was on them so the playing field was equal and they didn't really have an advantage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 09:49 AM) Someone needs to link that incredible Bill Simmons article the day the Manny news first broke. Done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 Anything to tarnish the Red Sox in any sort of way makes me a real happy person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 11:50 AM) Done eh, not enough J-Bug, Hench and Karate Kid references for my taste Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenryan Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 That whole Red Sox offense was probably on something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 11:46 AM) Wow Big Shocker here.... it will be hilarious to watch ESPN now. I feel sorry watching this. They're saying the Red Sox are just as tainted as everybody else who had roid users. Really? Their two best players were on roids. It's not like they were Timo Perez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 I think we as White Sox fans have to face the realistic possability that within a year a major name on the 05 team will be strongly tied to steroids. I'm not actually thinking of anybody in particular, but the way the numbers are shaking out, I'm just trying to be logical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 QUOTE (zenryan @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 05:53 PM) That whole Red Sox offense was probably on something. I've been telling people on here for 5 years that the son of a scout who I went to Grad School with told me back in 2003 that the Red Sox players were the biggest abusers of PEDs in all of baseball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 05:54 PM) I think we as White Sox fans have to face the realistic possability that within a year a major name on the 05 team will be strongly tied to steroids. I'm not actually thinking of anybody in particular, but the way the numbers are shaking out, I'm just trying to be logical Wasn't 2005 though the first year that they had testing? I would say it's very likely we were the cleanest World Series winners in a few decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 11:55 AM) Wasn't 2005 though the first year that they had testing? I would say it's very likely we were the cleanest World Series winners in a few decades. well, there's HGH and many other things, also, the 2003 list many of us are projecting on to the 04 Red Sox WS team I should have said PEDs instead of steroids in my orig post Edited July 30, 2009 by SoxFan562004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 30, 2009 Share Posted July 30, 2009 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 09:55 AM) Wasn't 2005 though the first year that they had testing? I would say it's very likely we were the cleanest World Series winners in a few decades. 2004 was the first year they had regular testing...but no penalties and no exposure for a first positive test. 2005 was the first year with testing and immediate suspensions for a first positive test. That's the year Palmeiro was caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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