HuskyCaucasian Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (wallyburger @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 07:02 AM) This unofficial "official leaked list" is making the rounds of the "net". Absolutely no validation , but plenty of no surprises if it is authentic. WOW! There's a long string of current and former Cubs on that list. Edited July 31, 2009 by Athomeboy_2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (wallyburger @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 08:02 AM) This unofficial "official leaked list" is making the rounds of the "net". Absolutely no validation , but plenty of no surprises if it is authentic. 1.Nomar Garciaparra 2.Manny Ramirez 3.Johnny Damon 4.Trot Nixon 5.David Ortiz 6.Shea Hillenbrand 7.Derek Lowe 8.Pedro Martinez 9.Brian Roberts 10.Jay Gibbons 11.Melvin Mora 12.Jerry Hairston 13.Jason Giambi 14.Alfonso Soriano 15.Raul Mondesi 16. Aaron Boone 17.Andy Pettitte 18.Jose Contreras 19.Roger Clemens 20.Carlos Delgado 21.Vernon Wells 22.Frank Catalanotto 23.Kenny Rogers 24.Magglio Ordonez 25.Sandy Alomar 26.Bartolo Colon 27.Brent Abernathy 28.Jose Lima 29.Milton Bradley 30.Casey Blake 31.Danys Baez 32.Craig Monroe 33.Dmitri Young 34.Alex Sanchez 35.Eric Chavez 36.Miguel Tejada 37.Eric Byrnes 38.Jose Guillen 39.Keith Foulke 40.Ricardo Rincon 41.Bret Boone 42.Mike Cameron 43.Randy Winn 44.Ryan Franklin 45.Freddy Garcia 46.Rafael Soriano 47.Scott Spiezio 48.Troy Glaus 49.Francisco Rodriguez 50.Ben Weber 51.Alex Rodriguez 52.Juan Gonzalez 53.Rafael Palmeiro 54.Carl Everett 55.Javy Lopez 56.Gary Sheffield 57.Mike Hampton 58.Ivan Rodriguez 59.Derrek Lee 60.Bobby Abreu 61.Terry Adams 62.Fernando Tatis 63.Livan Hernandez 64.Hector Almonte 65.Tony Armas 66.Dan Smith 67.Roberto Alomar 68.Cliff Floyd 69.Roger Cedeno 70.Jeromy Burnitz 71.Moises Alou 72.Sammy Sosa 73.Corey Patterson 74.Carlos Zambrano 75.Mark Prior 76.Kerry Wood 77.Matt Clement 78.Antonio Alfonseca 79.Juan Cruz 80.Aramis Ramirez 81.Craig Wilson 82.Kris Benson 83.Richie Sexson 84.Geoff Jenkins 85.Valerio de los Santos 86.Benito Santiago 87.Rich Aurilia 88.Barry Bonds 89.Andres Galarraga 90.Jason Schmidt 91.Felix Rodriguez 92.Jason Christiansen 93.Matt Herges 94.Paul Lo Duca 95.Shawn Green 96.Oliver Perez 97.Adrian Beltre 98.Eric Gagne 99.Guillermo Mota 100.Luis Gonzalez 101.Todd Helton 102.Ryan Klesko 103.Gary Matthews Wasn't this posted here a month ago or so and subsequently proven to be a bulls*** rumor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 And to those who are begging to have the whole list released... it'll never happen, at least not officially. The LAST thing baseball management wants to do is piss of the MLBPA by throwing their players under the bus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 08:39 AM) Wasn't this posted here a month ago or so and subsequently proven to be a bulls*** rumor? Yeah, it looked like someone just went down the rosters and picked names. They even doubled some names, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 Nomar Garciaparra: Don't Judge Ortiz. LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 08:39 AM) Wasn't this posted here a month ago or so and subsequently proven to be a bulls*** rumor? Yes. And the list is silly on its face - its almost all players that were big name guys in 2003. Any real list would contain at least 50% nobodies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 Bronson Arroyo says he used Andro And therefore wouldn't be surprised if his name was on the list. Gotta say, this is probably a good strategy if he suspects that. Do it when everyone will be talking about Manny/Ortiz and come up with a semi-believeable pre-emptive excuse. Well done, sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyho7476 Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 09:18 AM) Bronson Arroyo says he used Andro And therefore wouldn't be surprised if his name was on the list. Gotta say, this is probably a good strategy if he suspects that. Do it when everyone will be talking about Manny/Ortiz and come up with a semi-believeable pre-emptive excuse. Well done, sir. Were they testing for Andro? I doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (tonyho7476 @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 10:22 AM) Were they testing for Andro? I doubt it. He says he stopped taking Andro when he heard rumors it was tainted with steroids... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyho7476 Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 09:27 AM) He says he stopped taking Andro when he heard rumors it was tainted with steroids... that sounds like bs to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev211 Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 03:38 AM) A tree could have told you that Ortiz was cheating. I felt badly when the Yanks lost to the SawRx in 2004. Not only did it spawn terrible unspeakable s*** such as Fever Pitch, but it also offered all a glimpse as to what will happen when miserable, miserable cutesy loser franchises finally chance upon a World Championship. You will never hear the end of it. I hate that this has happened to baseball, but I'm also glad that Jimmy Fallon's movie can be further questioned and disregarded. The PED SawRx were a slightly more successful, less bumblef*** version of the Cubs until 2004. A pill here and there, two buddies jabbing each other in the ass with needles, and all of a sudden you have the most nauseating World Series Champions in forever. You couldn't hide in an Afghani cave from it. The only thing magical about the PED SawRx winning in 2004 and 2007 is that everyone chose to ignore the fact that Papi's head was comparable to a small hot air balloon, and that human beings were able to develop artificial means of achieving endurance and strength. Both are remarkable. On a side note, IIRC, and if I'm wrong correct me, wasn't Damon's name also associated with PED's at one point? I could have sworn that there was at least the briefest mention somewhere along the line. I've never read, but anticipate Curt Schilling's thoughts on all this craziness and tomfoolery in his blog. I'm literally putting down a Dostojevsky novel right now in anticipation. It's a shame for MLB. A full blown enema of the 104 who tested positive would suit the league far better than this steady drip drip that keeps you up all night. Sooner or later (with 'later' being a bad, bad thing for MLB) these names are going to surface. Just an FYI. Fever Pitch was coming out weather they won, or lost the series. But the ending was rewritten after they did. Arroyo thing is also BS. He's just trying to save face for when the list does come out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev211 Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 08:46 AM) And to those who are begging to have the whole list released... it'll never happen, at least not officially. The LAST thing baseball management wants to do is piss of the MLBPA by throwing their players under the bus. I don't think it would be MLB releasing it. It would be the government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 03:42 PM) The lists were seized under a legal search warrant associated with the BALCO case. The Feds had every right to take it. Just like everyone on it has the right to sue the feds if their name is on the list and it leaks that their name is on the list. The problem? You don't have a case unless your name is actually on that list. Thus...filing the lawsuit is tantamount to an admission of steroid abuse. The problem here is not that the list is being leaked slowly, or embarrassing people...the problem is...baseball had a huge steroid problem for years and 103 or so of its players were stupid enough to be caught when they had a 6 month warning that testing was coming. Still...the union represents ALL players. It wouldn't be the players filing a case, it would be the union. I'm not saying the Feds did/didn't, I'm saying the union could have fought harder. And that's not the problem anymore...the problem is how to admit it and move forward towards a cleaner MLB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (wallyburger @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 06:02 AM) This unofficial "official leaked list" is making the rounds of the "net". Absolutely no validation , but plenty of no surprises if it is authentic. 1.Nomar Garciaparra 2.Manny Ramirez 3.Johnny Damon 4.Trot Nixon 5.David Ortiz 6.Shea Hillenbrand 7.Derek Lowe 8.Pedro Martinez 9.Brian Roberts 10.Jay Gibbons 11.Melvin Mora 12.Jerry Hairston 13.Jason Giambi 14.Alfonso Soriano 15.Raul Mondesi 16. Aaron Boone 17.Andy Pettitte 18.Jose Contreras 19.Roger Clemens 20.Carlos Delgado 21.Vernon Wells 22.Frank Catalanotto 23.Kenny Rogers 24.Magglio Ordonez 25.Sandy Alomar 26.Bartolo Colon 27.Brent Abernathy 28.Jose Lima 29.Milton Bradley 30.Casey Blake 31.Danys Baez 32.Craig Monroe 33.Dmitri Young 34.Alex Sanchez 35.Eric Chavez 36.Miguel Tejada 37.Eric Byrnes 38.Jose Guillen 39.Keith Foulke 40.Ricardo Rincon 41.Bret Boone 42.Mike Cameron 43.Randy Winn 44.Ryan Franklin 45.Freddy Garcia 46.Rafael Soriano 47.Scott Spiezio 48.Troy Glaus 49.Francisco Rodriguez 50.Ben Weber 51.Alex Rodriguez 52.Juan Gonzalez 53.Rafael Palmeiro 54.Carl Everett 55.Javy Lopez 56.Gary Sheffield 57.Mike Hampton 58.Ivan Rodriguez 59.Derrek Lee 60.Bobby Abreu 61.Terry Adams 62.Fernando Tatis 63.Livan Hernandez 64.Hector Almonte 65.Tony Armas 66.Dan Smith 67.Roberto Alomar 68.Cliff Floyd 69.Roger Cedeno 70.Jeromy Burnitz 71.Moises Alou 72.Sammy Sosa 73.Corey Patterson 74.Carlos Zambrano 75.Mark Prior 76.Kerry Wood 77.Matt Clement 78.Antonio Alfonseca 79.Juan Cruz 80.Aramis Ramirez 81.Craig Wilson 82.Kris Benson 83.Richie Sexson 84.Geoff Jenkins 85.Valerio de los Santos 86.Benito Santiago 87.Rich Aurilia 88.Barry Bonds 89.Andres Galarraga 90.Jason Schmidt 91.Felix Rodriguez 92.Jason Christiansen 93.Matt Herges 94.Paul Lo Duca 95.Shawn Green 96.Oliver Perez 97.Adrian Beltre 98.Eric Gagne 99.Guillermo Mota 100.Luis Gonzalez 101.Todd Helton 102.Ryan Klesko 103.Gary Matthews Doubt this is legit. Where's Mike Lowell? He's lost about 6 inches of chest thickness, and most of his homers became doubles since his Marlin days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 01:27 PM) You said that? I remember bureau spouting off about similar stuff. bureau was not banned by soxtalk, he has just stopped posting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Middle Buffalo Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jul 30, 2009 -> 11:46 PM) Canseco now saying a Hall of Famer was on PEDs Hate to continue to feed the ego on this douche, but he's somehow became a saint lately. 7 HOF teammates of Canseco's.. Reggie Jackson Wade Boggs Don Sutton Nolan Ryan Rickey Henderson Rich Gossage Dennis Eckersley Since he's saying this now, ima go out on a limb and say it was Rickey Henderson but that's pure speculation on my part. Though Rickey would probably tell me that Rickey don't do steroids, Rickey is a clean player, and Rickey got all of Rickey's stats the natural way cause he's the greatest of all time. I swear that I heard Reggie Jackson was good friends with one of the steroid suppliers who was caught a few years ago. I tried to find the story, but couldn't find it. Of those seven players listed, the only ones I'd rule out are Sutton and Eck. I doubt Gossage and Boggs, but could be talked into them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 Canseco came out and said it was not Rickey Henderson about whom he was speaking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Tex @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 06:46 PM) bureau was not banned by soxtalk, he has just stopped posting. His account was deleted, as were his posts. Edited July 31, 2009 by Buehrle>Wood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 That's good. I think Rickey is awesome and it would be a shame for such a character to be linked to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 I think it was Buddy Biancalana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Hurtin Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 I've heard speculation about a now-deceased Twin, but I don't know of any connection he would have had with Canseco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 08:39 AM) Wasn't this posted here a month ago or so and subsequently proven to be a bulls*** rumor? That list doesn't have Jeromy Burnitz listed twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 The Red Sox fired 2 staffers last summer in a steroid-related investigation of some sort. Details sketchy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 3, 2009 -> 10:44 AM) The Red Sox fired 2 staffers last summer in a steroid-related investigation of some sort. Details sketchy. MLB is keeping the investigation private.... niiice... sure looks like you are covering up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 I honestly think it's Ryan Conseco is talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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