RockRaines Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 Also, in his contract the Twins are not allowed to offer him arbitration which means he will leave at the end of the season, and the Twins get nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 12:31 PM) Thats what I dont get, how is he an upgrade? He is a downgrade defensively and offensively he is about the same as the guy he is replacing. Frankly, if this means less of Nick Punto, I see this as a win for the White Sox. Punto (along with Gomez and other crappy Twin players) is tough against us, but for the rest of the league, he sucks. Having him play less is only a positive for the Twins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 12:34 PM) Its funny, I keep having this illogical reaction to these deals, where I want KW to do something. Then I realize, I am not sure what the team could even use at this point. Therefore, I'd like him to go big (Peavy-level big), or stand pat. We could realistically add an Of'er (maybe) a SP, and a 2B. A bullpen arm could help if it was a top tier lefty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 12:34 PM) Punto (along with Gomez and other crappy Twin players) is tough against us, but for the rest of the league, he sucks. Having him play less is only a positive for the Twins. But you also have to realize that having O-Cab at short is a positive for the White Sox as well considering how much he has declined. Offensively he had to go on a tear this month to even get his numbers up to Harris's level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 My new thread idea "If O-Cab had accepted arbitration...." Yea, we'd be better. Getz out, him in. Better on defense and offense, b/c i'd move AR back to 2b. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 I'm sure Twins fans are doing back flips down the streets of Minneapolis right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 10:36 AM) We could realistically add an Of'er (maybe) a SP, and a 2B. A bullpen arm could help if it was a top tier lefty. Add Jared Mitchell. I'm ready! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 12:31 PM) Thats what I dont get, how is he an upgrade? He is a downgrade defensively and offensively he is about the same as the guy he is replacing. Frankly, if this means less of Nick Punto, I see this as a win for the White Sox. Punto sucks. Casilla sucks. The're HOFers against the Sox but are terrible against everyone else. Edited July 31, 2009 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3 BeWareTheNewSox 5 Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 OC was money for us down the stretch, while most of our guys s*** their pants once Quentin went down. He made some stupid decisions (he just doesn't seem that bright to me), but honestly, he was really just trying to jump start us from the usual HR or nothing GIDP ball we fall into way too often His D was very disappointing though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 12:36 PM) We could realistically add an Of'er (maybe) a SP, and a 2B. A bullpen arm could help if it was a top tier lefty. Any OF or SP to replace what we have needs to be pretty high end though, otherwise it isn't worth it. Same with 2B. And I see no need at all for a top tier lefty reliever. The ideal candidate, if there is one, is a highly regarded SP or OF that is just on the cusp of coming up to the majors. Someone who could jump up if TCQ or Contreras breaks down, but who we wouldn't screw up by keeping in AAA the rest of the season. That's a narrow focus, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 12:39 PM) My new thread idea "If O-Cab had accepted arbitration...." Yea, we'd be better. Getz out, him in. Better on defense and offense, b/c i'd move AR back to 2b. I guess you haven't seen him play defense yet this year. Plus, his bat has just gotten better in the past month. He was one of the worst players in baseball until June. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 Meh, I'd take Cabrera over Punto, obviously. But I don't see this as a difference making move (I.E. the Tigers getting Washburn). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 12:39 PM) My new thread idea "If O-Cab had accepted arbitration...." Yea, we'd be better. Getz out, him in. Better on defense and offense, b/c i'd move AR back to 2b. That would be about $9 million KW would have had to cut from somewhere. The Sox did cartwheels and breathed a sigh of relief when Cabrera cost himself millions and rejected arb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 12:18 PM) Our two biggest rivals are getting better today... lets see if KW does anything to make us better. Only what, less than 3 hours left? Don't worry... we probably got Felix Pie on the way! ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League Posted July 31, 2009 Author Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 12:39 PM) My new thread idea "If O-Cab had accepted arbitration...." Yea, we'd be better. Getz out, him in. Better on defense and offense, b/c i'd move AR back to 2b. He's been horrible at SS this year, and Alexei was terrible at 2B last year. Getz has been below average at second this year (-4.1 UZR, -6.2 UZR/150, -2.9 RngR), but he's got much better UZR rating across the board than Alexei did at 2b last year (-8.3 UZR, -10.6 UZR/150, -6.9 RngR), and 'Lexi is on the positive side of UZR(2.8), UZR/150(4.2) and RngR(4.3) at SS this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 I look at this as subtraction by addition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (League @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 12:46 PM) He's been horrible at SS this year, and Alexei was terrible at 2B last year. Getz has been below average at second this year (-4.1 UZR, -6.2 UZR/150, -2.9 RngR), but he's got much better UZR rating across the board than Alexei did at 2b last year (-8.3 UZR, -10.6 UZR/150, -6.9 RngR), and 'Lexi is on the positive side of UZR(2.8), UZR/150(4.2) and RngR(4.3) at SS this season. Alexei was great at 2B last year, and no numbers can tell me differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (League @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 12:46 PM) He's been horrible at SS this year, and Alexei was terrible at 2B last year. Getz has been below average at second this year (-4.1 UZR, -6.2 UZR/150, -2.9 RngR), but he's got much better UZR rating across the board than Alexei did at 2b last year (-8.3 UZR, -10.6 UZR/150, -6.9 RngR), and 'Lexi is on the positive side of UZR(2.8), UZR/150(4.2) and RngR(4.3) at SS this season. Don't tell this to people who hate Alexei Ramirez's defense and UZR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 12:49 PM) Don't tell this to people who hate Alexei Ramirez's defense and UZR. You can't quantify dumb, no matter how hard you try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 12:49 PM) Don't tell this to people who hate Alexei Ramirez's defense and UZR. Wasn't the UZR that had Alfonso Soriano as one of the finest defensive LF in baseball last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 01:11 PM) Wasn't the UZR that had Alfonso Soriano as one of the finest defensive LF in baseball last season? That was 2007. He was barely above average last year. This year though, he's been atrocious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 01:14 PM) That was 2007. He was barely above average last year. This year though, he's been atrocious. Any rating system that had Soriano ranked high and above average, when even the Cubs announcers say there are a few thousand people in the stands that are probably better with the glove than him, needs a little tweaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 01:17 PM) Any rating system that had Soriano ranked high and above average, when even the Cubs announcers say there are a few thousand people in the stands that are probably better with the glove than him, needs a little tweaking. Soriano's got a good arm and I guess his range is a little better than what we give him credit for. To the naked eye, he sucks. But sabermetrics almost go completely against that. But then again, isn't UZR the thing that told how great of a fielder Dewayne Wise is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benchwarmerjim Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 Apparently, when teh Twins were in Oakland the other week, Morneau and Mauer were chatting it up with O-Cab, saying they want him on the Twins...fwiw Im pretty 'meh' on the deal. his numbers are a duplicate of Brendan Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 11:42 AM) Punto sucks. Casilla sucks. The're HOFers against the Sox but are terrible against everyone else. Add Gomez to that list too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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