Dick Allen Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (3 BeWareTheNewSox 5 @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 01:22 PM) Not sure if they're kidding, but MLB Network is talking about texting with KW during the break (that he asked for ideas, Harold Reynold just gave a sleeper list and they said 'Here you go Kenny, this is your text back!') While I don't doubt they texted KW, I'd be absolutely shocked if KW was serious about needing ideas. I'd also be shocked if he doesn't have about 10 balloons in the air right now. The problem is it takes 2 to tango, so while you might have the means to take on salary and might have some prospects to trade, the other guy could always say no. I read somewhere where Toronto wasn't interested in any of the White Sox prospects for Halladay. They wanted Danks and Floyd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 01:25 PM) While I don't doubt they texted KW, I'd be absolutely shocked if KW was serious about needing ideas. I'd also be shocked if he doesn't have about 10 balloons in the air right now. The problem is it takes 2 to tango, so while you might have the means to take on salary and might have some prospects to trade, the other guy could always say no. I read somewhere where Toronto wasn't interested in any of the White Sox prospects for Halladay. They wanted Danks and Floyd. Hah, Ricciardi cracks me up. I am so happy he is getting screwed and getting nothing. As for Kenny, I don't know...sometimes I think the guy is more like you and I than we think. It wouldn't shock me if he can't figure this team out either... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3 BeWareTheNewSox 5 Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 I don't think Ricciardi is that screwed. If he doesn't get what he wants he can always make a move in the offseason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Escobar Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 01:22 PM) What better way to get fans to the game, aside from winning games of course, then to bring in a big name? Definitely - generate a little excitement. Or course, another way to get fans in the stands is to sit and watch three teams you're chasing all fill their holes (so to speak). Gotta love seeing 1st place Detroit get some depth to their staff, Minnesota get a good SS (albeit a clubhouse cancer apparently) and then see Boston land a big time C/1b in Martinez (on top of everything else theyve acquired). I know we are 8 back or something of the Wild Card but it's still a method to get into the playoffs that just got further out of reach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (3 BeWareTheNewSox 5 @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 01:29 PM) I don't think Ricciardi is that screwed. If he doesn't get what he wants he can always make a move in the offseason Teams will be less-motivated to trade half their farm for just 1 season of contention rather than two... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 01:30 PM) Teams will be less-motivated to trade half their farm for just 1 season of contention rather than two... Exactly. 2 playoff runs vs. 1 is huge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (3 BeWareTheNewSox 5 @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 07:29 PM) I don't think Ricciardi is that screwed. If he doesn't get what he wants he can always make a move in the offseason Yep. Believe it or not, Halladay's value is not going to fall very much for a desperate team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 01:31 PM) Yep. Believe it or not, Halladay's value is not going to fall very much for a desperate team. Everyone thinks they can win before the season starts. There are far fewer desperate teams in January than in July... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (3 BeWareTheNewSox 5 @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 01:29 PM) I don't think Ricciardi is that screwed. If he doesn't get what he wants he can always make a move in the offseason Halladay's value goes down a ton if he's not traded in the next hour and a half. Riccardi really does screw himself if he doesn't get something done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Philips Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 12:47 PM) I hope we get somebody like Mark Teahen. If we trade for Mark Teahen Kc might accept terms if they were to get a left handed bat back so how about trade Getz. Gordon could move to second with Teahen playing third but many think that Teahen is suspect defensively at 3rd. In that case he might be all right at first then Paulie's 12 million could be saved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Escobar Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 01:33 PM) Halladay's value goes down a ton if he's not traded in the next hour and a half. Riccardi really does screw himself if he doesn't get something done. I agree. For several reasons. Right now Ricciardi is benefiting from Halladay being the only real dominant starter available. Had Peavy and Webb been healthy - they'd be in the discussion for available aces. If the offseason hits - Halladay is now a 1 year rental instead of 2. He is one year older. Potential for injury in Septermber (unlikely but why risk it if your intention is to deal him). There will be cheaper options available via FA - not to mention a whole new crop of guys in the final 1-2 years of their contracts (sort of like how Halladay wasnt this available last season but CC was) who will be open for a trade. There is more then that I'd imagine. Why this moron is being so stubborn is beyond me. Get what you can and move on so you can focus on rebuilding this offseason instead of focusing on how to dump players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (3 BeWareTheNewSox 5 @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 01:07 PM) Well thank you KW for wasting your time. Everyone and their mother knows he is scared enough about the AL, and that there was no way he was coming to our park. There are theories out there that KW did this just to get this very reaction from fans and/or had some sort of agreement to jumpstart interest in Peavy. As time goes by, I keep thinking those theories aren't that far fetched (especially after the comments about being hurt by attendance) Jon Heyman twitter: #twins deal for orlando cabrera helps them. but #tigers trade was even better. chisox, your move. And the deals he tried to get for Haren and Halladay? Are they scared of the AL too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwolf68 Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (Pumpkin Escobar @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 02:47 PM) I agree. For several reasons. Right now Ricciardi is benefiting from Halladay being the only real dominant starter available. Had Peavy and Webb been healthy - they'd be in the discussion for available aces. If the offseason hits - Halladay is now a 1 year rental instead of 2. He is one year older. Potential for injury in Septermber (unlikely but why risk it if your intention is to deal him). There will be cheaper options available via FA - not to mention a whole new crop of guys in the final 1-2 years of their contracts (sort of like how Halladay wasnt this available last season but CC was) who will be open for a trade. There is more then that I'd imagine. Why this moron is being so stubborn is beyond me. Get what you can and move on so you can focus on rebuilding this offseason instead of focusing on how to dump players. Excellent points, and many of the teams who the Jays were talking to (Phillies, Red Sox, Dodgers) have made moves depleting resources. I still wouldn't be shocked to see one of the AL West teams (LAA, Texas) get in on Halladay. They both have the pieces to move, but will JP come down off his obscene demands? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 01:25 PM) While I don't doubt they texted KW, I'd be absolutely shocked if KW was serious about needing ideas. I'd also be shocked if he doesn't have about 10 balloons in the air right now. The problem is it takes 2 to tango, so while you might have the means to take on salary and might have some prospects to trade, the other guy could always say no. I read somewhere where Toronto wasn't interested in any of the White Sox prospects for Halladay. They wanted Danks and Floyd. And I would love to see all of those people who would like a trade that included even Floyd or Danks plus Alexei, and a couple more of the top prospects (most likely Viciedo and Poreda at least) to raise their hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 11:55 AM) I wish KW would get crazy and find a decent package of prospects for PK. Let Fields play first and see if he can figure it out, and then bring back Thome and Dye for next year. If Fields doesn't show improvement offensively, try and bring in an Adam Dunn or someone else to play first. I know it won't be popular, but Paulie is having a solid year and you may be able to actually get a few solid prospects for him. I have a feeling if we were to win this division it wouldn't be because of the difference between Konerko's production and Fields. But, I know it won't happen. Sorry, but I've seen plenty of Josh Fields. I'm seriously hoping this is his last day in a Sox uni. Don't really care what we get, as with BA, just want to move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Escobar Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 Everytime I think of Ricciardi I find myself envisioning the Mel Kiper thing with the Colts ownership (I think it was them)... Where he was blasting their Management for terrible draft picks and such and was like "this is why theyre picking 1st every year instead of playing for a Superbowl". Thats what I think of with JP and the Blue Jays. Their just stupid with how they approach things in that division. Theyre not going to spend like NY and Boston - but they also kind of refuse to just be sellers so they can load up like Tampa. I understand committment to your fans to compete but when you can prepare yourself to be better in a future when everyone knows you arent going to win the East anytime soon...You do it. Anyone else think of that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 01:53 PM) Sorry, but I've seen plenty of Josh Fields. I'm seriously hoping this is his last day in a Sox uni. Don't really care what we get, as with BA, just want to move on. Trust me, I am no Fields fan either. But I don't think we need all three of Thome/Konerko/Dye next year, and so I am just suggesting we jettison the one who can bring us some kind of return back. And I don't believe it can be Thome, because I really think we need a lefthanded bat in that lineup... It's just the best way I can think of to optimize our current resources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (Pumpkin Escobar @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 12:47 PM) I agree. For several reasons. Right now Ricciardi is benefiting from Halladay being the only real dominant starter available. Had Peavy and Webb been healthy - they'd be in the discussion for available aces. If the offseason hits - Halladay is now a 1 year rental instead of 2. He is one year older. Potential for injury in Septermber (unlikely but why risk it if your intention is to deal him). There will be cheaper options available via FA - not to mention a whole new crop of guys in the final 1-2 years of their contracts (sort of like how Halladay wasnt this available last season but CC was) who will be open for a trade. There is more then that I'd imagine. Why this moron is being so stubborn is beyond me. Get what you can and move on so you can focus on rebuilding this offseason instead of focusing on how to dump players. Couldn't agree more. Ricciardi's going to look like a clown when he makes a deal next year at this time for far less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwolf68 Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 I've never seen the White Sox so quiet. With a team at 1 game over the mediocre line, playing lackluster offensive ball for much of the year that surprises me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 01:56 PM) Couldn't agree more. Ricciardi's going to look like a clown when he makes a deal next year at this time for far less. I honestly think he believed he was going to play hardball and someone would blink and make a deal. He is probably of the belief that he can trade him next offseason for the same packages he is being offered now. And he just may. But I don't think it is a gamble worth taking, considering their current position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3 BeWareTheNewSox 5 Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 01:33 PM) Halladay's value goes down a ton if he's not traded in the next hour and a half. Riccardi really does screw himself if he doesn't get something done. One or all of NY, Bos, LA, etc will be disappointed once the offseason starts. I don't think his value will be that hurt (though Tor will prob lower their expectations too, but overall I think they can get a good deal) It's funny, Tor is not that much worse than us (at least some one will agree with me the unbalanced sched is lame) f*** it, just keep him! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 They have Duquette and Hart on MLB network. Its pretty interesting to listen to how a GM actually spends deadline day. From what they have said, I think KW is sitting by his phone waiting for some callbacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 02:02 PM) They have Duquette and Hart on MLB network. Its pretty interesting to listen to how a GM actually spends deadline day. From what they have said, I think KW is sitting by his phone waiting for some callbacks. So in other words our final offers are out there, and we are waiting to see if teams will come down to our offers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 02:07 PM) So in other words our final offers are out there, and we are waiting to see if teams will come down to our offers. Gosh, that sounds like good business to me...instead of offering up the farm or change for change sake...weird. /rolly eyes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 31, 2009 -> 02:07 PM) So in other words our final offers are out there, and we are waiting to see if teams will come down to our offers. They never mentioned KW in particular, but I know KW is trying to make a trade and has made lots of offers. From what they said, you make your offer and sit by the phone hoping it rings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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