Balta1701 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 18, 2009 -> 04:51 PM) I assume he'll become a FA after that 4 years though, which would be big. Really? The Nats put the cuban-style out clause in there? Is that even allowed for players that are drafted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 18, 2009 -> 04:53 PM) Really? The Nats put the cuban-style out clause in there? Is that even allowed for players that are drafted? Oh I'm not sure. How does it work when a player signs a 4 year major league contract? I assume his service time starts immediately since it is a major league contract? I guess he'd still be eligible for arbitration and the standard 6 years, its just that his clock starts immediately? I'm not sure so I'm asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie Ball Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 19, 2009 -> 12:53 AM) Really? The Nats put the cuban-style out clause in there? Is that even allowed for players that are drafted? He is under the Nats' control for 6 years. Boras was on WFAN earlier today saying that Strasburg's deal is basically worth $19m guaranteed by the Nats just tendering him an offer in those final two years and if Strasburg pitches as many think it will be worth much more. This is also the same for Dayan and Alexei as was referenced by Hahn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 18, 2009 -> 04:55 PM) Oh I'm not sure. How does it work when a player signs a 4 year major league contract? I assume his service time starts immediately since it is a major league contract? I guess he'd still be eligible for arbitration and the standard 6 years, its just that his clock starts immediately? I'm not sure so I'm asking. I'm pretty sure his service time starts when he's called up. That's why Boras had to insert the "Call up this kid this year" clause for Andrew Miller, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 So Boras is now actually allowing teams to sign players for less money. So will it be ok for Kenny to negotiate with Boras now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Chisox, Im pretty sure service time starts when you are called up. (Im not 100% sure but my guess is the way that "service time" is defined is time on the 25 man roster.) Tex, Boras isnt doing anything, teams have just adjusted to his negotiation tactics. If you constantly push teams to the limit and piss them off, they are eventually going to stop giving into your demands. Some teams have refused to even negotiate with Boras, which limits the potential suitors for his clients. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubano Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Aug 17, 2009 -> 04:48 PM) If the Nationals' offer was only $12.5 million, they should be ashamed and boycotted. I in no way think they should even approach the number Boras wants, but I'd think $20 million in a market like Washington would be worth it given the fact that they failed to sign their pick from last year as well. I'm glad I follow a team that cares. Come on guy! Show some respect to my team. Ha, ha , ha! Just kidding! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubano Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 18, 2009 -> 07:27 PM) I'm pretty sure his service time starts when he's called up. That's why Boras had to insert the "Call up this kid this year" clause for Andrew Miller, for example. Yes, service starts when you are with the big club. Time in the minors do not count even with a Major League contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Nats GM Mike Rizzo getting fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 QUOTE (knightni @ Aug 19, 2009 -> 03:39 PM) Nats GM Mike Rizzo getting fired. Honestly, I have never heard that name before. Shows how much attention I've paid to the Nats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 20, 2009 Author Share Posted August 20, 2009 QUOTE (knightni @ Aug 19, 2009 -> 03:39 PM) Nats GM Mike Rizzo getting fired. If by fired you mean hired on as fulltime GM, then you are right http://therocket.mlblogs.com/archives/2009...neral_mana.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 19, 2009 -> 10:14 PM) If by fired you mean hired on as fulltime GM, then you are right http://therocket.mlblogs.com/archives/2009...neral_mana.html they said that he was getting replaced by some guy in the MLB office. Maybe I scanned over the article and missed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 23, 2009 Author Share Posted October 23, 2009 Strasburgs first AFL start? Pretty Good. His second start? Blown the F*** up http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...9&sport=MLB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 23, 2009 -> 07:53 AM) Strasburgs first AFL start? Pretty Good. His second start? Blown the F*** up http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...9&sport=MLB If you know a fastball is coming, you can hit it as a major league baseball player, well unless your name is Josh Fields. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 23, 2009 -> 09:27 AM) If you know a fastball is coming, you can hit it as a major league baseball player, well unless your name is Josh Fields. He throws a lot more than just a fastball. And his fastball moves very well. He's got a plus curve and a good to plus change. Stras is the real deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Oct 23, 2009 -> 11:31 AM) He throws a lot more than just a fastball. And his fastball moves very well. He's got a plus curve and a good to plus change. Stras is the real deal. The first time I saw video on him I came away more impressed with his change than anything else. If he can throw that pitch with any consistency.... wow. But yeah, the slider and curve are sick too, and that fastball is devastating. He's easily got what Hawk would call "Nintendo stuff." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 23, 2009 -> 11:27 AM) If you know a fastball is coming, you can hit it as a major league baseball player, well unless your name is Josh Fields. His curve is what hurt him his last start. He hung a few supposedly to different batters. (that's the pitch C.J. rocked off him.. hanging curve) QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Oct 23, 2009 -> 11:37 AM) The first time I saw video on him I came away more impressed with his change than anything else. If he can throw that pitch with any consistency.... wow. But yeah, the slider and curve are sick too, and that fastball is devastating. He's easily got what Hawk would call "Nintendo stuff." He's going to put Justin Verlander's "nintendo stuff" to shame. He's a beast. Edited October 23, 2009 by SoxAce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 23, 2009 -> 11:27 AM) If you know a fastball is coming, you can hit it as a major league baseball player, well unless your name is Josh Fields. 2 of the 3 HR gave up in AFL start 2 were hanging curves. His slider hits 90, he has sick stuff. I'm not saying he can't miss, but he's certainly more than a fastball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Oct 23, 2009 -> 05:11 PM) His curve is what hurt him his last start. He hung a few supposedly to different batters. (that's the pitch C.J. rocked off him.. hanging curve) He's going to put Justin Verlander's "nintendo stuff" to shame. He's a beast. Agree. Calling that guy's repertoire a bunch of "plus" pitches is an understatement. The guy has at least 3 pitches with the potential to be plus-plus IMO. The fastball and the slider are pretty much already there and that change could get there too. The guy is just awesome. I really hope he doesn't get hurt because I want to see what this kid can do once he learns how to pitch in the Majors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingandalongonetoleft Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 His curve is what hurt him his last start. He hung a few supposedly to different batters. (that's the pitch C.J. rocked off him.. hanging curve) I don't know who rocked him on what, but I recall reading a quote from Stephen himself that he "has a plus fastball" and hitters know its coming. That was his explanation for what took place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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