Governor of California Recalled

[DonkeyKongerko]

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/07/23/...call/index.html

 

1.3 million signatures was plenty to recall the governor of California Gray Davis. A recall YES/NO vote will be mostly a formality and the real question is who will the next governor of California be. Arnold hasn't said whether he will run yet but this is a really rare event we are witnessing here.

[Chisoxfn]

I can not wait to cast my vote for Arnold. So far the democrats have said they back Davis and wont put anyone on the recall ballot. I doubt that actually happens.

 

The thing is, in a recall, its just majority wins, no one has to have over 50% of the vote or anything like that.

 

I sure hope the people vote Davis out of office. He is a terrible governor.

[DonkeyKongerko]

I sure hope the people vote Davis out of office.  He is a terrible governor.

Don't worry

 

HE GAWNNNN

[GASHWOUND]

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/07/23/...call/index.html

 

1.3 million signatures was plenty to recall the governor of California Gray Davis.  A recall YES/NO vote will be mostly a formality and the real question is who will the next governor of California be.  Arnold hasn't said whether he will run yet but this is a really rare event we are witnessing here.

Wow, kept hearing jokes and s*** about Davis being recalled..didn't know it would eventulayy happen...

[southsider2k5]

I can not wait to cast my vote for Arnold. So far the democrats have said they back Davis and wont put anyone on the recall ballot.  I doubt that actually happens. 

 

The thing is, in a recall, its just majority wins, no one has to have over 50% of the vote or anything like that. 

 

I sure hope the people vote Davis out of office.  He is a terrible governor.

Are people really going to vote for Arnold? Thank god I live in backwards Indiana

[SI1020]

California has a tradition of electing Hollywood types, so I guess it's possible. I hear that Arnolds wife is dead set against him running because of privacy concerns. I wonder if she'd vote for him. She's a liberal Democrat.

[Chisoxfn]

California has a tradition of electing Hollywood types, so I guess it's possible. I hear that Arnolds wife is dead set against him running because of privacy concerns. I wonder if she'd vote for him. She's a liberal Democrat.

If Arnold ran their is an excellent chance he'd win. Arnold was going to run this past election, but Davis has so much campaign money and he just bashes the heck out of anyone that even throws their name in the pot.

 

I actually think Arnold being married to a liberal makes him an even better candidate. He obviously gets along with her, so I think he could do a good job of getting support from both parties and rallying to get things done that need to be done in California.

 

The Democrats and Republicans are at war here. Democrats want to raise taxes and keep increasing the spending while the Republicans want to cut spending and raise taxes a minimal amount.

 

Its ridiculous. The state has a ton of bills that are not only state funded but also federal laws.

 

The problem is the federal laws require you to be a citizen and the state of California doesn't want that to be in effect. So the state made their own and you don't have to be a citizen to take advantage of it.

 

Its obvious that its done so the democrats can get the minority vote, but I feel its a bunch of BS for taxpayers to provide money that gets taken by others. I don't go to some other country and welch off their tax payers.

 

Basically in short, California is all screwed up.

[southsider2k5]

Jas, your last sentance said it all. And out of curiousity is there still the movement to break Cali into two states, with a north and south section? They were talking about it as a 52nd state, along with Puerto Rico, last time there was serious talk about PR joining the Union.

[cwsox]

No one has been recalled. No one. Petitions have been filed to force a recall elecvtion.

 

Every state in the Union has massive budget problems this fiscal year. California's deficit is huge because it is the largest state, not because of anything done by the governor. The Republicans in Sacramento who refuse to apss ab udget may get a lot of blame however for exacerbating the problems.

 

Remember back in 2000 all the crying by Republiocans about trying to "undo" an election? Their hypocrtasy exposed onmce again. The goverfnor was re-elected last November. The Republicans are trying to undo an election not even 9 months old. And if California has such huge budget problems, why put the state to the added financial burden of several special elections? Hypocrites all in elephant wear.

 

Why? Because California tends to re-elect incumbants (you go back quoite a few years last time thnat did not happen) and the Republicans are trying to position themselves for 2011 - 8 years from now - when redistricting occurs. They also want to pour in vast financial resaources into California a year before the presidential election because they have lost California so miserably the past few elections.

 

Also, young ones, don't be naive. The congressman who is pouring his staff into this recall is trying to get himself elected and ace out Arnold. If things went their normal course, Davis' term is up in 2006 and Arnold would run then as the prohibitive favorite at least well plalced against, say, Rob Reiner. However, the congressman has an election staff in place now and Arnold doesn't so it is easier for the congressman to slip into office now and block Arnold. Or do you think the congresman is operating out of sheer unselfish motives? Arnold may be left on the side totally, or there will eb a GOP bloodpath of the two sides trying to force each other out. As well, california law in this case makes it wasy for anyone to get on the ballot - you may face a bedsheet ballot.

 

Funny how California Republiocans cry about the state's contion since prior to Davis' elections, they had what, 24 years of straight Republican governors - Reagan - Wilson - Djukmagian. If California is f***ed up, it is the Republicans' fault since they ruled for so long. California's special problem is Prop 13.

 

For the arrogance to attempt to undo a just held election and add financial burdens to the state and to make it sound as if what is happening in califoirnia isn't helping everywhere (tahnks, G W Bush economy) and because of the Republican's refusal to work for the good of the state in Sacramento, I hope the recall people get their ass kicked.

 

One might also consider that GOP memo that was leaked - the "do nbot cooperate" one. The california Sate Gop official party would rather see the peopleof California suffer for their politcal gain than try responsible government.

 

Plus forgotten has been the one rfeality that california has a democtratic lieutant governor who ahs indicated that recall and election may not happen on the same day. Why has that little fact been overlooked? Do you think the Dem lt. governor is going to roll over and spread his cheeks for the Republcians? If recall is successful, guess who is acting governor? So if the recall is successful, what motive does the lt. governor have in holding a same day election? None whatsoever. In fcat, it is in his best interest to be inerim acting governor and thus be incumbent between recall and election. And a motivated Democratic electorate may bury all of these schemers and connivers.

[Spiff]

yes it is all the republicans' fault. those f***ing b****es. how dare they act in their own personal interest? democrats would never do such a thing!

[cwsox]

yes it is all the republicans' fault. those f***ing b****es. how dare they act in their own personal interest? democrats would never do such a thing!

pretending to be Victoria Virgin Pure may be a Repubican's favorite public pose, but they are the same size whore as everyone else. Quit crying and be real. That was no resposne to anything except the typical one liner that is supposed to pass for thinking in a Limbaugh-ized world.

[Spiff]

pretending to be Victoria Virgin Pure may be a Repubican's favorite public pose, but they are the same size whore as everyone else.  Quit crying and be real.  That was no resposne to anything except the typical one liner that is supposed to pass for thinking in a Limbaugh-ized world.

No it was not anything resembling Rush Limbaugh. I don't care about this recall, it is 3000 miles away. I don't care about republicans and I don't care about democrats. They don't care about you or me or anyone who isn't donating money to their cause. But the fact that you are trying to make it look like it is all the Republicans' fault is hilarious. All the politicians are to blame. Davis isn't blameless, and he's not 100% at fault.

 

YOU are the one crying about this thing. Wah wah wah it's those nasty republicans, they are the ones who messed up. It's as if you are surprised by lying politicians acting in their own self-interest.

[cwsox]

Spiff, be real.

 

Every state in the country has severe econoimic problems.

 

California had all those years of republican governors.

 

There is a lot of politics at work here which I laid out, which you will not discuss or respond to other than to blame the Democrats.

 

Wah wah, those bad bad Dems.

 

Gees - that is why a Republican congressman is trying to front out Arnold in a special election less than year after the election? ust eb the Dems. Yeah that's right, that's the ticket.

 

In a Limbaugh-ized world, one liners are all that suffice. No one compared you or your thinking to the actual Rush, just that one-liners are not an adequete response but America has gotten accustomed to the short sound byte.

[Spiff]

Spiff, be real.

 

Every state in the country has severe econoimic problems.

 

California had all those years of republican governors.

 

There is a lot of politics at work here which I laid out, which you will not discuss or respond to other than to blame the Democrats.

 

Wah wah, those bad bad Dems.

 

Gees - that is why a Republican congressman is trying to front out Arnold in a special election less than year after the election?  ust eb the Dems.  Yeah that's right, that's the ticket.

 

In a Limbaugh-ized world, one liners are all that suffice.  No one compared you or your thinking to the actual Rush, just that one-liners are not an adequete response but America has gotten accustomed to the short sound byte.

No. I don't think you understand. I'm not saying the Republicans didn't have anything to do with it. I'm saying they all have something to do with it. I don't pretend like there's one good party, and one evil party. They all act in their own self-interest. It's just who can look the best while they get away with it.

[Spiff]

Also, pardon if I don't feel like typing paragraphs and paragraphs about bulls*** politics. I have better things to do like, um, I don't know, bang my head against a wall. "One-liners" are all the attention I care to give this crap.

[cwsox]

funny, in a whole thread of all blame cast on Davis, you never interjected a word about fairness and balance until the Republicans get named.

 

Actually I presented some very worthwhile informatyion that gives balance to what has been posted. Agree or not with some of my conclusions, the machinations and facts that I work from are worth udnerstanding as this is an important national issue, a dress rehersal for the 2004 election.

 

And do not take this the wrong way cuz i like you - but the comment

 

"One-liners" are all the attention I care to give this crap.

 

is exactly what I expect from anyone who votes Republican - lile cub fans who know nothing about baseball - all opinions and no facts, just one liners

 

 

 

[Cerbaho-WG]

No way the Republicans are going to nominate Schwarzenegger. The Republicans want to win, not turn it into a three-ring circus.

 

Also, I think the situation in California might be duplicated by other states. Just about every state has a fairly large deficit, and lawmakers are too damn stubborn to raise taxes. Some people need to realize you have one of two choices:

 

1) Cut spending, which is going to drive everyone insane, not to mention cut off money from services that need it.

 

2) Raise taxes.

 

If Arnold does indeed win, it will be a very sad day for Democracy. Just another reason for me to get the hell out of the country, I guess.

[Mathew]

If Arnold does indeed win, it will be a very sad day for Democracy. Just another reason for me to get the hell out of the country, I guess.

There's room here?

[cwsox]

No way the Republicans are going to nominate Schwarzenegger. The Republicans want to win, not turn it into a three-ring circus.

No nomination - no primary - the single election will be winner take all -

 

Arnold has been gearing up for this for several years although he was planning on 2006, which is why that congressman is trying to juke him now.

 

No way the Republicans would nominate Arnold under the usual scenario? All I can say is former governor Ronald Reagan, former senator George "Tap Dancing" Murray (before your time but during mine), former mayor Clint Eastwood... and the leading 2006 Dem candidate is Rob Reiner.

 

Arnold was their best chance of winning in 2006 based on a 2003 perspective.

[Chisoxfn]

Jas, your last sentance said it all.  And out of curiousity is there still the movement to break Cali into two states, with a north and south section?  They were talking about it as a 52nd state, along with Puerto Rico, last time there was serious talk about PR joining the Union.

I haven't heard anything about it. I know there is talk of letting the United States be a voting district for Mexico's elections.

[Chisoxfn]

Spiff, be real.

 

Every state in the country has severe econoimic problems.

 

California had all those years of republican governors.

 

There is a lot of politics at work here which I laid out, which you will not discuss or respond to other than to blame the Democrats.

 

Wah wah, those bad bad Dems.

 

Gees - that is why a Republican congressman is trying to front out Arnold in a special election less than year after the election?  ust eb the Dems.  Yeah that's right, that's the ticket.

 

In a Limbaugh-ized world, one liners are all that suffice.  No one compared you or your thinking to the actual Rush, just that one-liners are not an adequete response but America has gotten accustomed to the short sound byte.

Ya and during good times and bad Davis took over this state with the largest surplus in the country. Now they have a larger deficit then all of the other 49 states combined.

 

I'm sorry, but I hate higher taxes and the republicans have a balanced budget out there but the democrats won't agree to it. The democrats are still lost on getting the budget solved and the main thing is the programs that illegal aliens can use.

 

Is it all Davis fault, No, but I don't buy into this bulls*** raise taxes so they can raise more spending. Davis has jacked up registration in this state. I have to pay 400 freaking bucks a year to register my damn car and its not even a fancy car.

 

In any other state it would cost half of that at the least.

 

I'm sick of all this spending to aid people that don't pay any taxes and aren't citizens in California. I have nothing against people coming over here and having work visas and such, I realize the conditions suck in Mexico and a ton of other countries and I have nothing against programs where people can come over here and work and do jobs. And if they want our benefits then have them use a tax id number and pay some damn taxes.

[Chisoxfn]

Arnold would of beat Davis had he been in the election this time. Davis is a scumbag. I'm not saying everyone else is good.

 

Hell, I wish Jesse Ventura would come over to California and become the governor. I don't give a damn who it is as long as it isn't Davis.

 

His plans are proposterous.

 

In an economic slow down things happen. Davis had the power crisis in which he negotiates a long term contract for power, but he gets screwed as power prices come back down. Now locked in a long term deal he tells the power companies to kiss his ass and welches on the contract.

 

A smart man would of just let the power prices gone up, people would of seen their month bill and been like holy s***. They would cut back on power, meaning energy is conserved giving the state time to build a new powerplant and as power conservation goes down the price of power drops right back down. Crisis Solved.

 

I think they can cut spending in a lot of areas. You ever seen how ineficient a government is. Just go into a city hall and realize how many people they send you to to get one simple f***ing job done. You go to 3 people for a job that needs one person. The whole damn system should be overhauled.

 

Its state/fed covers schools, police, military, medical (research and such), social security and they also act as watchdogs. If people need help government has programs to do it, but have the people come in, interview them, get all the information, proof of everything and have a check up thing. Limit the time you can be on it (The programs are to get people back on their feet, not to let them mooch off of it their whole lives). Times get hard and you get in a tough spot, government is their to help you, pull you on your feet and give you time to get settled, then you say thanks and they say no problem.

[cwsox]

I just heard the Lt Governor bacxked down and both things are on the ballot the same day.

 

And the congressman is in and already filed - imagine that.

 

I'll bet you $20 Jas - Davis stays.

[Chisoxfn]

I just heard the Lt Governor bacxked down and both things are on the ballot the same day.

 

And the congressman is in and already filed - imagine that.

Lieutenant governor only has a 20 day window anyway, so it wouldn't be huge.

 

The election and everything has to take place between 60 and 80 days from yesterday.

 

I won't be voting for the congressman. I think if the recall goes through, the one thing that will hurt those that want a republican in control is that a few republicans will be on the ballot and I'd guess that Fienstein will be on it as a democrat.

 

Let me be on record as saying i have no problem with Feinstein.

[cwsox]

Ya and during good times and bad Davis took over this state with the largest surplus in the country.  Now they have a larger deficit then all of the other 49 states combined.

every state has had that type opf reversal, Jas - calidfornians always think they are so unique. Your deficit is $$$ larger because you have the biggest state - but every state is going throught the same thing. It is not at all unique to Davis or California. Every state.