caulfield12 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 (edited) http://espn.go.com/mlb/beanecount Thought this was interesting...evidence of underachieving, I'm not sure. Of course, if you go by the Pythagorean theory of runs scored versus runs allowed, we're around +14-16 over the entire season....which is exactly where we are now in the standings, 3 games over .500. It does seem that if we come up short, we'll look at this 15 game stretch after the Buehrle no-hitter and say this is where we really needed to go 10-5 and get to ten games over .500 and pass the Tigers in order to survive the following 23 games (21 against tough teams, 17 of them on the road)...of course, DET could always do like Minnesota did last year and come back to us in the end. The way we've been playing 2-1 against BALT seems most likely....you can never expect a sweep with this ballclub. That would put us at 4 games over .500...if we can go 11-12 over the next 23 (I think 10-13 or 9-14 is just as easily possible, but you never know with this team, and mental lift from the addition of Peavy should really help to give us some momentum, too) then we should still be in the thick of it heading into the final 2-3 weeks of the season when we start playing MN and the Tigers in the final week. Edited August 20, 2009 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 in answer to the thread, no. Pythagoras be damned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 (edited) When healthy and playing well, we're absolutely in the discussion. In terms of best teams in the AL I'd put: 1 Yankees 2 Angels 3 Red Sox 4 Rays 5 Rangers 6 White Sox. Adding the NL to this list 1 Yankees 2 Angels 3 Red Sox 4 Phillies 5 Dodgers 6 Rays 7 Rangers 8 White Sox 9 Cardinals Edited August 20, 2009 by Thunderbolt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Aug 19, 2009 -> 08:29 PM) When healthy and playing well, we're absolutely in the discussion. I'd put: 1 Yankees 2 Angels 3 Red Sox 4 Rays 5 Rangers 6 White Sox. "when" and thats not often,unfortunatley. the record says it all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 We don't need to be one of 4 top teams in baseball. We need to be the best in a easy AL Central. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 With Jake Peavy as a starting pitcher and our new 4 man outfield, we are on paper. But we've been saying how good we are on paper for so many years in the last decade the paper is looking like a 1970's newspaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 our paper never had a Cy Young winner, 2 ROY candidates/winners, MVP candidate, and whatever Rios turns into. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Sox Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 One of the best 4 or 5 teams? Not right now. With Peavy and and a hot streak from Dye or Thome or Konerko etc...maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Using Beane Count we were the best team in baseball last year, and were something like 12th in 2005. Cleveland was the best in baseball in 2007 and 2006. So I don't know how well that correlates. If we had this team from Opening Day our record would probably be 4-6 games better. With the addition of Peavy into the rotation, we arguably have the best playoff rotation in baseball. I still like our chances going forward, but we definitely need to get on a little run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsox Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 If the Sox make the playoffs, their chances are just as good as anyone else. It's 0 - 0 starting that first week in Oct. It doesn't matter what power ranking they are right now, the only goal is make the postseason where stranger crap has happened over the last 20 yrs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 I think most of us diehards on here realize we're not that good. Like somebody said beautifully, one facet of our game usually falls apart bad enough to cost us a win on a given night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 19, 2009 -> 09:41 PM) I think most of us diehards on here realize we're not that good. Like somebody said beautifully, one facet of our game usually falls apart bad enough to cost us a win on a given night. Why do you generalize so much? Who is "most of us diehards"? According to THIS, I'd say everyone thinks we can be damn good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 (edited) Sorry if I misinterpreted. If I could summarize most of the things I've read, I'd say most realize we are a severely flawed team. I thought that was a correct interpretation. My bad if I am wrong. In the underachiever thread it was 90-20 people saying we were underachievers. I figured that it was safe to say "most" after reading that thread. Edited August 20, 2009 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Aug 19, 2009 -> 09:59 PM) our paper never had a Cy Young winner, 2 ROY candidates/winners, MVP candidate, and whatever Rios turns into. and who is this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 19, 2009 -> 11:20 PM) Sorry if I misinterpreted. If I could summarize most of the things I've read, I'd say most realize we are a severely flawed team. I thought that was a correct interpretation. My bad if I am wrong. In the underachiever thread it was 90-20 people saying we were underachievers. I figured that it was safe to say "most" after reading that thread. Explain how we are severely flawed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prochisox Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Aug 19, 2009 -> 06:59 PM) our paper never had a Cy Young winner, 2 ROY candidates/winners, MVP candidate, and whatever Rios turns into. QUOTE (rangercal @ Aug 19, 2009 -> 09:25 PM) and who is this? DeWayne Wise of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 19, 2009 -> 11:20 PM) Sorry if I misinterpreted. If I could summarize most of the things I've read, I'd say most realize we are a severely flawed team. I thought that was a correct interpretation. My bad if I am wrong. In the underachiever thread it was 90-20 people saying we were underachievers. I figured that it was safe to say "most" after reading that thread. I agree that the Sox are a flawed team. However, if the Sox make it into the playoffs, they could do some damage because of: Buerhle, Floyd, Danks and Peavy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Explain how we are severely flawed Ok. • Below average defense. I guess some might say average. I'd say below average. • Unreliable middle relief, i.e. set up men. • Slow on basepaths still. • Don't have the "it" factor to rally late or beat bad teams in an attempt to get 10 over .500 which would win this division. • 3 good starting pitchers, though what is up with Mark since the perfect game?; Jose and No. 5 very poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 QUOTE (3E8 @ Aug 20, 2009 -> 04:26 AM) Explain how we are severely flawed Can't play defense, can't manufacture runs, poor overall team speed, weak back-end of the rotation, etc. Jenks and Thornton are the only dudes in the bullpen that have WHIP ratios under 1.30, but I'm not ready to say that our pen is severely flawed. It's pretty scary when you analyze the numbers, though. Dotel is walking damn near 7 batters per 9 IP. The Peavy and Rios acquisitions got me amped, but I'm still not a huge fan of our current team make-up. Looking forward to next year, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Mark Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Aug 19, 2009 -> 08:29 PM) When healthy and playing well, we're absolutely in the discussion. I'd put: 1 Yankees 2 Angels 3 Red Sox 4 Rays 5 Rangers 6 White Sox. I'd probably throw the top baseball teams in this order 1 Yankees 2 Angels 3 Red Sox 4 Rays 5 Rangers 6 White Sox 7 Detroit 8 Twins 9 Mariners 10 Jays 11 Indians 12 A's 13 Orioles 14 Royals 15 Durham Bulls 16 Scranton Yanks 17 Rochester Red Wings 18 Toledo Mud Hens 19 LA Dodgers 20 Philadelphia Phillies 21 St. Louis Cardinals ............... Edited August 20, 2009 by Markbilliards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 20, 2009 -> 05:16 AM) • Below average defense. I guess some might say average. I'd say below average. The defense is tremendously bad. The Polish guy is the only one that has brains listed as a strength. It's great to have Rios in CF, though. We need a dude with great range to cover for major defensive liabilities in Quentin and Dye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 I don't think we're in the top 10. Gotta go with the record as of now and the record says barely over .500 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Aug 19, 2009 -> 08:29 PM) When healthy and playing well, we're absolutely in the discussion. I'd put: 1 Yankees 2 Angels 3 Red Sox 4 Rays 5 Rangers 6 White Sox. Do you think the top 6 teams in baseball are all in the American League? Edited August 20, 2009 by WilliamTell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 QUOTE (WilliamTell @ Aug 20, 2009 -> 01:59 AM) Do you think the top 6 teams in baseball are all in the American League? No, I’ll amend the post and add the NL to it. I kind of spaced, but yeah the Dodgers and the Phillies are definitely above the Rangers, Rays and White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 20, 2009 Author Share Posted August 20, 2009 QUOTE (GO CHI SOX! @ Aug 19, 2009 -> 11:30 PM) DeWayne Wise of course. GQCQ last year of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.thumb.webp.29cc6c9fee0f01ceeb4f722593e5e3ba.webp)
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.