My Solution to Foulke/Koch trade!!!

[johndyce]

Here is what we should do. Trade Foulke, Johnson, and a minor. We should get in return Tim Hudson/Mark Mulder/Barry Zito. This would give us another young ace, and the A's could go and do whatever they want with foulke. What about closer? Use Marte and our other pros for a year while our youth develops. marte did a good job this year, and we have good prospects at the relief pitching spot. This would give us a young talented closer, and young 1 and 2 aces. What do you guys think?

[Molto]

ummm, I don't think that would happen, nor would anybody agree with that, or think it is even close to being even.

 

now if that minor league player was Borchard and the catcher is Olivo, then it would be a possibility.

[Spiff]

Oh don't be so negative.

 

I say let's go for it!

[CubKilla]

Originally posted by johndyce

Here is what we should do. Trade Foulke, Johnson, and a minor. We should get in return Tim Hudson/Mark Mulder/Barry Zito. This would give us another young ace, and the A's could go and do whatever they want with foulke.  What about closer?  Use Marte and our other pros for a year while our youth develops. marte did a good job this year, and we have good prospects at the relief pitching spot. This would give us a young talented closer, and young 1 and 2 aces. What do you guys think?

 

Only if KW GM'ed the A's would this trade happen

[johndyce]

true

[Chisoxfn]

For the Sox to acquire one of the aces you'd have to see a package of Rauch, Honel, and probably Borchard.

[BridgeportHeather]

Jason, I don't think we'd have to be giving up prospects of that calibur. We'd be already giving them Foulke, who can be more than decent, so there's the meat of your deal there. But, in reality, I don't think we need an ace when we already have one in Buehrle, so we don't have to worry about giving up prospects of high calibur. We should focus on getting a good #2 starter. Buehrle is going to win us 24-26 games next year (and I am not smoking anything...he is a STUD).

[Chisoxfn]

But Heather, if you look at the World Series teams, they don't necessarily have a couple aces, but they all have plenty of quality pitchers.

 

In the Giants and Angels case(The two world series teams this year) they didn't really have one ace, but they had 5 guys that would contribute.

 

All I'm asking for is a guy like Daal or byrd that can step in and handle the leadership roll of the staff and pitch against the #2 guys, that way the youngsters would have less pressure, which should help Garland and Wright to continue to develop as well as Jon Rauch, once he enters the rotation.

 

Plus, we'll use Ritchie at the start and I know he's gonna be much better. He may not be what many originally hoped him to be, but I definately think he can win 12-13 games for the Sox and since he'll be pitching in the 5 slot, he won't exactly be facing great competition.

 

Also, when I think back a lot of the people who really struggled one season ended up rebounding pretty well. I mean guys that went after 20 losses. Daal has really turned things around since then and even Willie Blair had a decent season or two after that. Steve Traschel also had that terrible year and he's been decent since then. Ritchie was way too good to pitch the way he did and I'd say next to Daal he is the best of that class and will do better as long as he's healthy and he's got his mechanics straightened out, and I trust Cooper to do that.

[MurcieOne]

Originally posted by Chisoxfn

But Heather, if you look at the World Series teams, they don't necessarily have a couple aces, but they all have plenty of quality pitchers.

 

In the Giants and Angels case(The two world series teams this year) they didn't really have one ace, but they had 5 guys that would contribute.

 

All I'm asking for is a guy like Daal or byrd that can step in and handle the leadership roll of the staff and pitch against the #2 guys, that way the youngsters would have less pressure, which should help Garland and Wright to continue to develop as well as Jon Rauch, once he enters the rotation.

 

Plus, we'll use Ritchie at the start and I know he's gonna be much better.  He may not be what many originally hoped him to be, but I definately think he can win 12-13 games for the Sox and since he'll be pitching in the 5 slot, he won't exactly be facing great competition.

 

Also, when I think back a lot of the people who really struggled one season ended up rebounding pretty well.  I mean guys that went after 20 losses.  Daal has really turned things around since then and even Willie Blair had a decent season or two after that.  Steve Traschel also had that terrible year and he's been decent since then.  Ritchie was way too good to pitch the way he did and I'd say next to Daal he is the best of that class and will do better as long as he's healthy and he's got his mechanics straightened out, and I trust Cooper to do that. 

 

::twiddling fingers:: ...... waiting for Billy the Kroch to put on the Silver and BLack.......

[BridgeportHeather]

Yea, but Wright and Garland are going to improve on already successful seasons. I don't think they are feeling as much pressure as you may think they do.

[MurcieOne]

Originally posted by HeatherTheRedbird

Yea, but Wright and Garland are going to improve on already successful seasons.  I don't think they are feeling as much pressure as you may think they do.

 

I think Garland has shown that he belongs in this rotation no matta what, but Wright IMO the jury is still out on.

 

That ERA and those homeruns given up are stats you cant look past.

[MurcieOne]

Originally posted by johndyce

Here is what we should do. Trade Foulke, Johnson, and a minor. We should get in return Tim Hudson/Mark Mulder/Barry Zito. This would give us another young ace, and the A's could go and do whatever they want with foulke.  What about closer?  Use Marte and our other pros for a year while our youth develops. marte did a good job this year, and we have good prospects at the relief pitching spot. This would give us a young talented closer, and young 1 and 2 aces. What do you guys think?

 

I think anything short of Magglio Ordonez/Miguel Olivo........ isn't gonna get the job done.....

[Chisoxfn]

Pitchers develop slowly. Neither Garland or Wright are ready to step into the 2nd slot. In baseball, I don't buy sticking someone into a slot like that unless they have already proved they should be there.

 

In two years, then maybe I will call Garland a two and Wright a 3, but for the time being they are still backend guys until they actually prove it at the major league level.

 

Thats just the way I'd handle things if I was the general manager.

[Spiff]

Originally posted by HeatherTheRedbird

Jason, I don't think we'd have to be giving up prospects of that calibur.  We'd be already giving them Foulke, who can be more than decent, so there's the meat of your deal there.  But, in reality, I don't think we need an ace when we already have one in Buehrle, so we don't have to worry about giving up prospects of high calibur.  We should focus on getting a good #2 starter.  Buehrle is going to win us 24-26 games next year (and I am not smoking anything...he is a STUD).

 

Well, the last time anyone won 26 games was Bob Welch in 1990. I don't think Buehrle will even win 24, Randy Johnson was the only one to do it this season.

 

Buehrle is good, but a) he never gets any run support and b) there are very few pitchers that can go out and win a game on their own. Pedro can do it anytime he's healthy, Johnson and Schilling can do it when they're on, but Buehrle just isn't that pitcher in my opinion.

[Chisoxfn]

Buerhle is the type of pitcher that definately could win 20 plus. Last season their were many games where he pitched good enough and deserved the win and their were also many where he just didn't have it, mainly later in the year as his arm fatigued. As is arm gets stronger I think we'll see less of those games where he just doesn't have it.

 

Buerhle is a battler and will put up tons of quality starts and if the offense is producing he'll win the vast majority of those starts.

[MurcieOne]

Originally posted by Chisoxfn

Buerhle is the type of pitcher that definately could win 20 plus.  Last season their were many games where he pitched good enough and deserved the win and their were also many where he just didn't have it, mainly later in the year as his arm fatigued.  As is arm gets stronger I think we'll see less of those games where he just doesn't have it.

 

Buerhle is a battler and will put up tons of quality starts and if the offense is producing he'll win the vast majority of those starts.

 

lets just hope Mark Buehrle keeps progressing in his career..... and doesn't get injured.

[Chisoxfn]

Originally posted by Murcielago

lets just hope Mark Buehrle keeps progressing in his career..... and doesn't get injured.

 

Amen to that.

[Guest hotsoxchick1]

shhhhh dont jinx it murc......geez us if that were to happen we are sooooo screwed..........

[witesoxfan]

Originally posted by Spiff

Well, the last time anyone won 26 games was Bob Welch in 1990. I don't think Buehrle will even win 24, Randy Johnson was the only one to do it this season.

 

Buehrle is good, but a) he never gets any run support and b) there are very few pitchers that can go out and win a game on their own. Pedro can do it anytime he's healthy, Johnson and Schilling can do it when they're on, but Buehrle just isn't that pitcher in my opinion.

 

He doesn't get any run support? He didn't later on in the year, but at one point about half-way through the year I heard a stat that would disagree with what you said...up to the Phillies series, Buehrle had an average run support of about 7 runs per game, and that was up to the Phillies game he pitched. He also got 7 runs that game.

 

And besides, I really don't think run support is a necessary for a guy like Buehrle to succeed the same way that it is for a guy like Parque to succeed the way he did in 2000. If he doesn't receive the run support, he will bear down and get his guys, much like he did in the last game he pitched this year...Manuel just made a bad call leaving him in there. He should have had Foulke come in then and then had Marte close it out.

[Cy Young Porzio]

The solution is simple. Getting another oakland ace would be very tough but great. Anyways we already have the top closer of the future and im sure you all know who it is, CY YOUNG PORZIO

[MurcieOne]

Originally posted by Cy Young Porzio

The solution is simple. Getting another oakland ace would be very tough but great. Anyways we already have the top closer of the future and im sure you all know who it is, CY YOUNG PORZIO

 

Although it would be pretty amazing to have a guy like porzio win a cy young..... he's more likely to win a employee of the month award at Office Depot.

[Cy Young Porzio]

the only way porzio would win employee of the month for office depot is if they took over a major league team and he played for them!