CSF Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Baseball America polled the managers of the American League, and they tabbed Buehrle's changeup the best. He was voted 2nd best control artist (behind Halladay), & 2nd best pickoff move (behind Pettitte). Jim Thome was voted 3rd best in strike-zone judgement (behind Abreu & Mauer). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Now if he could win a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 QUOTE (CSF @ Aug 20, 2009 -> 08:50 PM) Baseball America polled the managers of the American League, and they tabbed Buehrle's changeup the best. He was voted 2nd best control artist (behind Halladay), & 2nd best pickoff move (behind Pettitte). Jim Thome was voted 3rd best in strike-zone judgement (behind Abreu & Mauer). This kind of surprises me. Arod? Josh Hamilton? Ichiro? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 The power of The Claw! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSF Posted August 21, 2009 Author Share Posted August 21, 2009 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 20, 2009 -> 09:07 PM) This kind of surprises me. Arod? Josh Hamilton? Ichiro? Ichiro was voted best bunter, and 2nd best hitter (Mauer). Arod was 2nd in overall power (Morneau). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
son of a rude Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Ichiro was voted best bunter, and 2nd best hitter (Mauer). Arod was 2nd in overall power (Morneau). Jim Thome is too powerful to be ranked with mortals in the power category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Where's Danks' change up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 20, 2009 -> 09:55 PM) Where's Danks' change up? About two years away from being consistent... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxgt Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 20, 2009 -> 09:55 PM) Where's Danks' change up? up and over the plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 QUOTE (son of a rude @ Aug 20, 2009 -> 10:19 PM) Jim Thome is too powerful to be ranked with mortals in the power category. I am going to go out on a limb and say I think Thome has more power than Arod, I didn't say contact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Jamie Shields' change has to be up their too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 QUOTE (CSF @ Aug 20, 2009 -> 08:50 PM) Baseball America polled the managers of the American League, and they tabbed Buehrle's changeup the best. He was voted 2nd best control artist (behind Halladay), & 2nd best pickoff move (behind Pettitte). Jim Thome was voted 3rd best in strike-zone judgement (behind Abreu & Mauer). Would you mind sharing the source? And about the changeup... what can i say, when it's on, it's ON. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (CSF @ Aug 20, 2009 -> 08:50 PM) Baseball America polled the managers of the American League, and they tabbed Buehrle's changeup the best. He was voted 2nd best control artist (behind Halladay), & 2nd best pickoff move (behind Pettitte). Jim Thome was voted 3rd best in strike-zone judgement (behind Abreu & Mauer). QUOTE (tommy @ Aug 21, 2009 -> 12:04 AM) Would you mind sharing the source? uhh, Baseball America? Edited August 21, 2009 by witesoxfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 21, 2009 -> 04:59 AM) uhh, Baseball America? Uh, I can't see the article because you have to be registered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 I love MB but I don't think his changeup is even in the discussion. Granted, I don't watch every other team play so I can't tell you how 90% of the pitchers in this league throw their individual pitches, but MB doesn't have great stuff. If anything, I'd think his cutter would have performed better. To me, MB has 4 plus pitches, but none are plus-plus. I'm surprised he got voted that. But if the players/managers did that I'll say they probably know better than I do. I'm just surprised. MB survives on speed of delivery, location and mixing pitches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumpkin Escobar Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Aug 21, 2009 -> 09:10 AM) I love MB but I don't think his changeup is even in the discussion. Granted, I don't watch every other team play so I can't tell you how 90% of the pitchers in this league throw their individual pitches, but MB doesn't have great stuff. If anything, I'd think his cutter would have performed better. To me, MB has 4 plus pitches, but none are plus-plus. I'm surprised he got voted that. But if the players/managers did that I'll say they probably know better than I do. I'm just surprised. MB survives on speed of delivery, location and mixing pitches. You always hear this kind of thing about Buehrle. How his stuff isn't great. He doesn't have the "Stuff" in regards to velocity or a dominating slider but most of the guys that have those things lack the control. To me, control is a huge part of stuff because whats the use of throwing 99 if you miss your spots. In this case, his change-up doesnt dive live pedro's and isn't 15mph like flamethrowers. But he puts it pinpoint and has enough movement on it that it really is a nasty little pitch. Coming off a pinpoint fastball or cutter inside and pasting the corner with his change right after is a nasty combination. Making his stuff very good. At least in my opinion. I'm not the scout though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 MB got a lot of highlights shown of his perfect game and 45 batter streak. In the perfect game, he threw some absolutely filthy changes for Ks. I'm sure that didn't hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 20, 2009 -> 09:07 PM) This kind of surprises me. Arod? Josh Hamilton? Ichiro? I don't know if you're being sarcastic but strikezone judgement is Jim Thome's best trait it's also one of Josh Hamilton's worst (35.8% of the pitches he swings at are out of the zone, 25% is league average) and not something Ichiro really employs (dude doesn't walk AT ALL). Jim Thome strikes out a lot but it's usually on pitches in the strikezone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Aug 21, 2009 -> 09:10 AM) I love MB but I don't think his changeup is even in the discussion. Granted, I don't watch every other team play so I can't tell you how 90% of the pitchers in this league throw their individual pitches, but MB doesn't have great stuff. If anything, I'd think his cutter would have performed better. To me, MB has 4 plus pitches, but none are plus-plus. I'm surprised he got voted that. But if the players/managers did that I'll say they probably know better than I do. I'm just surprised. MB survives on speed of delivery, location and mixing pitches. I tend to agree. Someone just recently posted a highly granular study of the success, velocity, movement, etc. of individual pitches by pitcher, and Buehrle was unique in baseball for having 5 above average pitches. None were among the very-very best, but all are better than average. But in terminology, I'd say MB has VERY good "stuff", because to me that is the whole package. If you have just one really devastating pitch, then that's not "stuff" to me, thats a pitch. I guess it depends on your definition of "stuff". I see it as the effectiveness of your entire repertoire of pitches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kane0730 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 QUOTE (whitesoxgt @ Aug 20, 2009 -> 10:33 PM) up and over the plate. Gold, Jerry Gold!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSF Posted August 22, 2009 Author Share Posted August 22, 2009 QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Aug 20, 2009 -> 10:51 PM) Jamie Shields' change has to be up their too. Ranked 2nd behind Buehrle's. Jered Weaver was 3rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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