BigSqwert Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Figured the "we are not liberal" covered it but whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Oct 11, 2011 -> 11:05 AM) Figured the "we are not liberal" covered it but whatever. Not all Democrats are what we've come to know and label "Liberals". Just like Republicans aren't "Neocons". So no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Oct 11, 2011 -> 11:10 AM) Not all Democrats are what we've come to know and label "Liberals". Just like Republicans aren't "Neocons". So no. Not to mention Conservative and Republican are listed, in addition to the Tea Party mention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 You guys are on to them! You've figured out the huge conspiracy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Oct 11, 2011 -> 11:15 AM) You guys are on to them! You've figured out the huge conspiracy! I'm onto how hypocritically dumb they sound/are for sure. It's like, "Oohhhhh, they said f*** off! This must be serious!#$@!" Meh. I see that sort of thing at a protest or on behalf of protestors, and I think...morons. Edited October 11, 2011 by Y2HH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 "we are not a movement preaching the DNC message" is the first line in their list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 10, 2011 -> 04:30 PM) Really? I was down there that day too. We were going to take my daughter to the Air and Space museum, but at the last minute she said she wanted to see dinosaurs, so we went to Natural History instead. Got on the Metro to go home, around the time the incidient at Air and Space started. So it turns out it was probably incited by a conservative reporter for the American Spectator. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/report...-180750896.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 11, 2011 -> 12:27 PM) So it turns out it was probably incited by a conservative reporter for the American Spectator. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/report...-180750896.html OK, that article does NOT say, or even intimate, that this guy caused or incited the riot. By his own admission he wasn't the one who shoved the guard. Nevertheless, sort of sad to read about more and more "reporters" trying to become the story. Morons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 11, 2011 -> 12:57 PM) OK, that article does NOT say, or even intimate, that this guy caused or incited the riot. By his own admission he wasn't the one who shoved the guard. Nevertheless, sort of sad to read about more and more "reporters" trying to become the story. Morons. He didn't shove the guard but he's claiming responsibility for inciting the aggression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 11, 2011 -> 01:07 PM) He didn't shove the guard but he's claiming responsibility for inciting the aggression. I think the writer of the article is making that claim, but I never saw the person in question make it themselves. At least, he didn't quote him saying anything like that in the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 (edited) Fox News: Edited October 11, 2011 by BigSqwert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Oct 11, 2011 -> 03:19 PM) Fox News: 200,000 vote huh. Nicely done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Just figured "yes" would be around 1% since it was on Fox's website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Oct 11, 2011 -> 03:29 PM) Just figured "yes" would be around 1% since it was on Fox's website. The percentages leveled out a lot more during the day. When it started going around it was up over 80%, but it looks like someone tried to even up the numbers a bit during the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 11, 2011 -> 03:30 PM) The percentages leveled out a lot more during the day. When it started going around it was up over 80%, but it looks like someone tried to even up the numbers a bit during the day. We call that "torturing Lou Dobbs." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 So the Republicans blocked the American Jobs Act in the Senate yesterday. I would make a joke about needing that debate time to consider Michelle Bachmann's "Save the Incandecent Lightbulb Bill," but that would either be too A) Accurate or B) too much work for them to consider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Oct 12, 2011 -> 09:10 AM) So the Republicans blocked the American Jobs Act in the Senate yesterday. I would make a joke about needing that debate time to consider Michelle Bachmann's "Save the Incandecent Lightbulb Bill," but that would either be too A) Accurate or B) too much work for them to consider. But we knew this was getting blocked before they submitted it...so they purposefully wasted everyone's time/money. From what I know, even some Democrats don't like it. All this was was another mini-stimulus, to call it anything else is disingenuous at best. Let's see, 800+ billion in such money amounted to nothing, so this will surely fix the issue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Oct 12, 2011 -> 09:35 AM) But we knew this was getting blocked before they submitted it...so they purposefully wasted everyone's time/money. From what I know, even some Democrats don't like it. All this was was another mini-stimulus, to call it anything else is disingenuous at best. Let's see, 800+ billion in such money amounted to nothing, so this will surely fix the issue! The $800B stimulus bill did not do nothing, let's not go down this road of silliness again. It created and saved jobs, millions of them, and kept the UE rates significantly lower than they would have otherwise been. This has been proven out time and again by not only bipartisan analysis, but even Republican-generated studies. Of course, it is ALSO true that the stimulus bill failed to do as much as it was supposed to... failed to spur a significant recovery... and was poorly designed and executed. The right-leaning views of this (like yours) that it did nothing, and the left-leaning view that it was a success, are both inaccurate. Let's deal in reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Oct 12, 2011 -> 09:35 AM) But we knew this was getting blocked before they submitted it...so they purposefully wasted everyone's time/money. From what I know, even some Democrats don't like it. All this was was another mini-stimulus, to call it anything else is disingenuous at best. Let's see, 800+ billion in such money amounted to nothing, so this will surely fix the issue! Oh, and I'm not saying "do nothing" is the solution, either. But I am saying, attempting a mini-version of what you already tried, only to see it fail, is akin to banging your head off the wall, saying wow...that hurts...and then proceeding to do the same thing again. We love to talk about learning from the past...but we apparently do nothing more than talk about it. They need to come up with something new instead of retrying what hasn't worked already. The other problem with this type of "job creation" is it's holiday jobs...it's all temporary work, and the money drains so quickly that all you end up having to do is repeat the process until the end of time. Only problem with that is, reality dictates that there isn't unlimited amounts of money you can keep borrowing to do this. In addition, it totally destroys the original reasoning behind the "tax the rich" campaign. While I agree the rich can pay more in taxes, the problem with that isn't that it won't pay for this new program (it would), it's that the "tax the rich" mantra was originally used to help pay for OTHER stuff we've already borrowed/spent money on...not this. So if we take that tax the rich money and use it on this, we haven't made any progress on our current deficits/debts, despite the rich being taxed. It's another one step forward/two steps back issue...something our government is really good at. No matter how much money they raise, no matter how many fees they create, and no matter how much they do get taxes raised, we still seem to find a way to dig the debt hold deeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 12, 2011 -> 09:41 AM) The $800B stimulus bill did not do nothing, let's not go down this road of silliness again. It created and saved jobs, millions of them, and kept the UE rates significantly lower than they would have otherwise been. This has been proven out time and again by not only bipartisan analysis, but even Republican-generated studies. Of course, it is ALSO true that the stimulus bill failed to do as much as it was supposed to... failed to spur a significant recovery... and was poorly designed and executed. The right-leaning views of this (like yours) that it did nothing, and the left-leaning view that it was a success, are both inaccurate. Let's deal in reality. It created/saved jobs those temporarily. The money is gone now, and so are the majority of the jobs you claim it saved. So yea, let's go down this road again since you love to discuss reality so much. Did it do something? Yes. It would be silly of me to say otherwise. But did it do 800 billion dollars worth of something? I know this is just my opinion, but no. Not even close. To be fair to the conversation, I did say it did nothing -- this is simply wrong of me -- it did do something. Just not nearly as much as it could have/should have. It's not of my opinion that the original stimulus did nothing...but it is of my opinion that we we paid 800 dollars for 10 dollars worth of return. So to reattempt the same, only on a miniscule scale in comparison...well, that makes this new bill is a joke by size of scale when it comes to realized returns. Edited October 12, 2011 by Y2HH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 I would argue that if the stimulus had actually focused on real spending rather than 50+% on tax cuts, the original stimulus would have been much stronger. On another topic, I would like to point out that the UAW, who worked with the Obama administration and the auto industry to save the American auto industry can now say that they have managed to guarantee nearly 8000 additional jobs in the last two weeks with Ford and Chrysler. This is an example of a bad union turned good - maintaining good relationships with the companies it works for (and in this case, partially owns) has really helped the worker's seat at the table matter in a positive manner both for their community and the company they work with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 12, 2011 -> 09:41 AM) The $800B stimulus bill did not do nothing, let's not go down this road of silliness again. It created and saved jobs, millions of them, and kept the UE rates significantly lower than they would have otherwise been. This has been proven out time and again by not only bipartisan analysis, but even Republican-generated studies. Of course, it is ALSO true that the stimulus bill failed to do as much as it was supposed to... failed to spur a significant recovery... and was poorly designed and executed. The right-leaning views of this (like yours) that it did nothing, and the left-leaning view that it was a success, are both inaccurate. Let's deal in reality. According to the White House's numbers and sales pitch, it failed beyond what was supposed to have happened without any stimulus at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 12, 2011 -> 12:20 PM) According to the White House's numbers and sales pitch, it failed beyond what was supposed to have happened without any stimulus at all. Just as I said... the stimulus failed to meet their original projections. You are just illustrating part of my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 There's nothing left to call that but intentional intellectual dishonesty at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 12, 2011 -> 12:37 PM) Just as I said... the stimulus failed to meet their original projections. You are just illustrating part of my point. It failed to meet the projections for the economy even if they had not been spending a trillion dollars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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