Important Quotes from KW and AJP

[WCSox]

You know. As much as I hate to say it (because I agree I see it impossible that he gets dealt) but everyone said the exact same thing with Miguel Cabrera. The one fundemental flaw is they do not operate a high payroll. They'll keep him around to open up their stadium and then 1-2 years after he will be out the door.

 

I'm not sure about that. First of all, they stand to make a ton in ticket sales during those first few "honeymoon" years of their new stadium. They've also won two championships in their first 13 years of existence, so it's not like they're so poorly-run that they're doomed to draw Pirates-sized crowds for the duration of Hanley's contract.

 

Secondly, Hanley is a much more skilled player than Cabrera. He doesn't have Cabrera's power, but puts up roughly the same OPS with 30+ stolen bases, 40+ doubles, and solid defense at SS. This is the kind of player that you build a franchise around and he's under a reasonable contract for some time. If I were their GM, I'd be very hard-pressed to move a guy like Hanley.

 

[Milkman delivers]

I think your being a bit harsh on Konerko and I find it hard to believe that Kenny would take anything with that subject line very serious.

 

We can say what we want about Paulie, but he's been an above average 1st baseman and a high character guy during his tenure here and that goes along way. Could he be the man showed the door this off-season, sure, but I don't think its because the Sox are over him or dislike him cause that clearly isn't the case.

 

They might think a new voice is needed and maybe to do that they move Paulie, but they might also find a way to keep Paulie and bring in a new "captain" so to speak or maybe Beckham starts to grab that role and AJ is given the title of Captain.

 

Either way I see Konerko get spat on a lot and while I have no problem making changes I do think we should respect that he's been an above average player and a very good White Sox during his tenure.

 

I think that's been a huge problem lately. Just because people want a certain player or players gone, it does not mean that their contributions in the past are not respected. When someone makes a post about letting so-and-so walk, or trading this guy, it is immediately met with "don't you even care what this guy has given to the team in his tenure here?" posts.

 

Yeah, I'm grateful and I respect the contributions. I respect the hell out of guys like Tony Gwynn and Frank Thomas, but I don't want either on this team.

 

I feel like we should take a lesson from the mafia and begin each post discussing getting rid of a player with the line "With all due respect..."

[WCSox]

I think that's been a huge problem lately. Just because people want a certain player or players gone, it does not mean that their contributions in the past are not respected. When someone makes a post about letting so-and-so walk, or trading this guy, it is immediately met with "don't you even care what this guy has given to the team in his tenure here?" posts.

 

Yeah, I'm grateful and I respect the contributions. I respect the hell out of guys like Tony Gwynn and Frank Thomas, but I don't want either on this team.

 

I feel like we should take a lesson from the mafia and begin each post discussing getting rid of a player with the line "With all due respect..."

 

Trading a player, not picking up his option after the season, or letting him walk at the end of a contract is one thing. Permanently benching a player or DFAing him for slumping or not playing up to projections in late August is another.

 

[Chisoxfn]

I think that's been a huge problem lately. Just because people want a certain player or players gone, it does not mean that their contributions in the past are not respected. When someone makes a post about letting so-and-so walk, or trading this guy, it is immediately met with "don't you even care what this guy has given to the team in his tenure here?" posts.

 

Yeah, I'm grateful and I respect the contributions. I respect the hell out of guys like Tony Gwynn and Frank Thomas, but I don't want either on this team.

 

I feel like we should take a lesson from the mafia and begin each post discussing getting rid of a player with the line "With all due respect..."

I've called for a ton of guys to get moved on. I was just responding to the f*** Paul Konerko post cause I think that is harsh.

 

IF we want to turn the page and go another direction, I agree. Afterall, I've been calling people out for a long time and coming up with whacky trade ideas almost every season I've been a part of this site.

 

Good post by the way Milkman and I agree with what your saying.

[Milkman delivers]

Trading a player, not picking up his option after the season, or letting him walk at the end of a contract is one thing. Permanently benching a player or DFAing him for slumping or not playing up to projections in late August is another.

 

And look what we have to show for not designating Contreras for assignment. He gets to come right back to the rotation to f*** up another game beyond recognition.

 

Clearly we have two very different views on how to treat players. I'm not going to get into it again.

[Milkman delivers]

I've called for a ton of guys to get moved on. I was just responding to the f*** Paul Konerko post cause I think that is harsh.

 

IF we want to turn the page and go another direction, I agree. Afterall, I've been calling people out for a long time and coming up with whacky trade ideas almost every season I've been a part of this site.

 

Good post by the way Milkman and I agree with what your saying.

 

Thanks, and is there a feature on the site that will automatically start all of my posts with "With all due respect"? I may want to run with that.

[WCSox]

And look what we have to show for not designating Contreras for assignment. He gets to come right back to the rotation to f*** up another game beyond recognition.

 

Yes, as opposed to all of the studs in our minor league system who've out-pitched Jose this year. Damn that Jose for taking their roster spot!

 

[beck72]

When I mentioned before the trade deadline that the sox should gauge Alexei's trade value [though realisitcally, this offseason was probably the time to move him, as long as the return could be some decent talent, say to Boston for some young arms] I was roasted by many. It's hard to make Alexei the scapegoat, and he isn't the reason the Sox are hovering around .500. But he does kind of epitomize the "lack of passion", esp. when he was supposed to be a building block.

 

This team has needed the vets to step up each year for the sox to have any chance. Right now, PK and Dye are scuffling. I don't think they lack passion. They just lack youth. And consistency. They both have often been all or nothing hitters for long stretches. When they are going south, they really go south. The 2009 offense was supposedly built around Carlos and Alexei [who also was very inconsistent, with hitting 0 in April, May, and Sept]. With Carlos not healthy, and Alexei not improving on his rookie year, the sox have relied on two very nice surprises in Pods and Beckham who, without those two, teh team would be battling KC and Cle for last place.

 

Carlos, and Beckham are 2 very nice building blocks. But it's going to be a struggle to find consistent other peices to build around those two for 2010. Rios is a big question mark--though I like the deal. He needs some work on his swing. Getz/ Nix could be decent. AJ is a keeper. Pods is worth another look for a cheap price. It might be worth testing Pk's value, and see if they can swing a deal and have him waive his NTC. I just don't think the sox have a lot of options to improve their offense.

 

What would be ideal is to sign Figgins for 3b, move Gordon to SS, trade Alexei for some talent, and have Thome an option at DH.