FIRE WALKER

[RockRaines]

Greg Walker hates the cold so he stays home in April. And he loves the European culture so he takes holiday for the majority of August just like they do.

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[Texsox]

While I think the team possibly could benefit from a fresh face and approach; he certainly does not deserve the level of blame he receives here.

[SoxAce]

While I think the team possibly could benefit from a fresh face and approach; he certainly does not deserve the level of blame he receives here.

 

This. I wouldn't shed one tear if they fired him, but at the same time, he isn't as bad as people think or want to believe he is.

[TheBigHurt]

Yeah, you missed the point totally, not that it is a real surprise. You call people lazy, yet you repeat the same old line over and over, which has been proven an urban legend. I asked you to prove something, and you gave me anecdotal evidence. I'd start looking in the mirror before you keep calling people lazy and ignorant.

 

Someone who fails to prove his own point asking someone to prove his. Kind of cute. Sadly, I don't have the time to backtrack records of hitters in history under Walker. For all I know you're correct and I would admit it. All I'm saying is that if the hitters being dumbfounded at the plate is an epidemic for YEARS, isn't the hitting coach somewhat to blame? Why the f*** do we even have a hitting coach, then?

[son of a rude]

I'm just looking for reasons to show more people my new sig. I could care less if you guys get into it.

the new sig is awesome

[southsider2k5]

Someone who fails to prove his own point asking someone to prove his. Kind of cute. Sadly, I don't have the time to backtrack records of hitters in history under Walker. For all I know you're correct and I would admit it. All I'm saying is that if the hitters being dumbfounded at the plate is an epidemic for YEARS, isn't the hitting coach somewhat to blame? Why the f*** do we even have a hitting coach, then?

 

Except even the last part of your post isn't true for the most part over his six years here. There have been some great years had here during Walkers time.

[RockRaines]

Someone who fails to prove his own point asking someone to prove his. Kind of cute. Sadly, I don't have the time to backtrack records of hitters in history under Walker. For all I know you're correct and I would admit it. All I'm saying is that if the hitters being dumbfounded at the plate is an epidemic for YEARS, isn't the hitting coach somewhat to blame? Why the f*** do we even have a hitting coach, then?

Yet the team has been pretty good consistently over the last several YEARS. Which is it? I think your perception is getting in the way of actual facts.

[Texsox]

Someone who fails to prove his own point asking someone to prove his. Kind of cute. Sadly, I don't have the time to backtrack records of hitters in history under Walker. For all I know you're correct and I would admit it. All I'm saying is that if the hitters being dumbfounded at the plate is an epidemic for YEARS, isn't the hitting coach somewhat to blame? Why the f*** do we even have a hitting coach, then?

 

You don't have to backtrack, the team results have been posted in this thread. I was surprised, but based on what is being posted here, he is not among the league's worst, he's among the league's best. Could the team hire a better coach? There is always the potential for improvement. They could also hire a worse coach. And that seems more likely to me. Plus, I really just find it rather repulsive to agree with you based on the way you have treated some excellent posters in this thread.

[Rowand44]

Why do I have to explain that? Are you trying to say Greg Walker has had a direct impact on the hitting in April and August? If so, thats pretty damn crazy.

 

2008 6th

2007 28th

2006 3rd

2005 13

2004 3rd

2003 12

 

Outide of the awful year in 2007, the Sox have been on the top end of the teams in the MLB in runs the last 6 years, finishing in the top 15 each year and the top 10 3 times, including 2 top 3 finishes. How can we explain THAT?

Pretty simple actually cause your stats are skewed. If things stay the way that they are this year, we will have finished in the bottom half of the American League in runs scored for 4 of his 7 years(more telling to look at the AL stats compared to all of baseball considering the whole DH vs. Pitcher thing). Granted, that doesn't say that he's the worst hitting coach ever but it also shows that we've been a below average offense for over half his tenure here.

 

And once again, I don't think getting rid of him is magically going to cure everything but I'd also guarantee that it wont hurt. If it jump starts the team for a little bit then it'd be well worth it imo. Not to mention that Kenny has already pretty much sent out a threat to the players and a firing might just show them that he isn't f***ing around.

[Milkman delivers]

Pretty simple actually cause your stats are skewed. If things stay the way that they are this year, we will have finished in the bottom half of the American League in runs scored for 4 of his 7 years(more telling to look at the AL stats compared to all of baseball considering the whole DH vs. Pitcher thing). Granted, that doesn't say that he's the worst hitting coach ever but it also shows that we've been a below average offense for over half his tenure here.

 

And once again, I don't think getting rid of him is magically going to cure everything but I'd also guarantee that it wont hurt. If it jump starts the team for a little bit then it'd be well worth it imo. Not to mention that Kenny has already pretty much sent out a threat to the players and a firing might just show them that he isn't f***ing around.

 

Rowand FTW!

[Frankensteiner]

This just seems like a very dumb hitting team to me. Are there splits for hitting with guys on 3rd and less than 2 out? Because I'd love to see our numbers vs the rest of the AL.

 

The other thing is that every no-name pitcher is out there twirling no hitters against us. Now we could blame some of that on advance scouting and some on players themselves, but there's no way Walker shouldn't be held accountable.

 

Unless Greg Walker is your friend, or he's taken you out to dinner, I don't see why people would get so attached. Hitting coaches get fired all the time.

[RockRaines]

Pretty simple actually cause your stats are skewed. If things stay the way that they are this year, we will have finished in the bottom half of the American League in runs scored for 4 of his 7 years(more telling to look at the AL stats compared to all of baseball considering the whole DH vs. Pitcher thing). Granted, that doesn't say that he's the worst hitting coach ever but it also shows that we've been a below average offense for over half his tenure here.

 

And once again, I don't think getting rid of him is magically going to cure everything but I'd also guarantee that it wont hurt. If it jump starts the team for a little bit then it'd be well worth it imo. Not to mention that Kenny has already pretty much sent out a threat to the players and a firing might just show them that he isn't f***ing around.

Skewed how?

 

2009 isnt over yet, so you cannot look at those stats, there are enough games left where we can move several spots.

 

AL

2008 5th

2007 last

2006 3rd

2005 9th

2004 3rd

2003 8th

 

In those 6 years the Sox were below avg in runs scored twice. One of those was 2007, which no coach in the world could help (they didnt even put up 700 runs). The other: 2005

 

Technically thats 1/3 of his tenure that we have been below avg, 1 of those seasons we won a WS, the other was one of the worst seasons any sox team has had in many years. So I guess he's batting .666

Edited August 28, 2009 by RockRaines

[RockRaines]

This just seems like a very dumb hitting team to me. Are there splits for hitting with guys on 3rd and less than 2 out? Because I'd love to see our numbers vs the rest of the AL.

 

The other thing is that every no-name pitcher is out there twirling no hitters against us. Now we could blame some of that on advance scouting and some on players themselves, but there's no way Walker shouldn't be held accountable.

 

Unless Greg Walker is your friend, or he's taken you out to dinner, I don't see why people would get so attached. Hitting coaches get fired all the time.

They rank 6th in the AL in BA with RISP.

 

 

As for the biggest glaring weakness of this team which alot of people WONT look at.

 

Sox rank 13th in the AL in runs past the 7th inning.

[nitetrain8601]

The question when pulling up stats, are the stats that good/bad because of the hitters he's working with or are the hitters that good/bad because they're working with Walker?

 

 

[BigEdWalsh]

Granted, that doesn't say that he's the worst hitting coach ever but it also shows that we've been a below average offense for over half his tenure here.

 

And once again, I don't think getting rid of him is magically going to cure everything but I'd also guarantee that it wont hurt. If it jump starts the team for a little bit then it'd be well worth it imo. Not to mention that Kenny has already pretty much sent out a threat to the players and a firing might just show them that he isn't f***ing around.

 

This beautifully sums it all up for me. It's all about sending a message.

[greg775]

Yes I booed Carrasco in this forum. I've admitted the error of my ways. At least he competes and has decent to good outings most of the time.

I also boo (on here) Dotel, Williams, Pena, Liney, who all pretty much suck.

Our bullpen sucks. It is a D at best.

[Dick Allen]

This beautifully sums it all up for me. It's all about sending a message.

So firing a hitting coach is sending a message to the multi-millionaire players? Sorry, Walker is a well-liked guy, but firing him isn't going to make anyone hit any better. Whoever said they guaranteed the Sox offense couldn't get worse is pulling crap out of his ass. For the record, as awful as the White Sox offense has been this month and as terrible as Greg Walker supposedly has been, they are still scoring more than 5 runs a game for the month.

 

If there is a problem, I think its with the advanced scouting. These guys sometimes have no clue at the plate especially late against relief pitching. I think they have bad reports on pitchers.

 

BTW who on the White Sox is totally underachieving overall at the plate? Dye perhaps, but he was great earlier, did Walker just get stupid? Quentin? He was hurt, and of course his near MVP cannot be credited in anyway to Walker just his struggles, but its still better than he did in Arizona.

Edited August 29, 2009 by Dick Allen

[elrockinMT]

Fire him if you want, but it's not the hitting coach, folks. It's the guys with the bat in their hands.

 

 

I am sure there will be changes this off season

[YonderLaroche]

Fire the whole team.

[southsider2k5]

I am sure there will be changes this off season

 

There have been changes every year, that is a pretty safe assumption.

[BigSqwert]

So firing a hitting coach is sending a message to the multi-millionaire players? Sorry, Walker is a well-liked guy, but firing him isn't going to make anyone hit any better. Whoever said they guaranteed the Sox offense couldn't get worse is pulling crap out of his ass. For the record, as awful as the White Sox offense has been this month and as terrible as Greg Walker supposedly has been, they are still scoring more than 5 runs a game for the month.

 

If there is a problem, I think its with the advanced scouting. These guys sometimes have no clue at the plate especially late against relief pitching. I think they have bad reports on pitchers.

 

BTW who on the White Sox is totally underachieving overall at the plate? Dye perhaps, but he was great earlier, did Walker just get stupid? Quentin? He was hurt, and of course his near MVP cannot be credited in anyway to Walker just his struggles, but its still better than he did in Arizona.

Are we watching the same offense?

 

And I can't help but to feel that a couple blowout wins has skewed our numbers for August. Seems like 6 out of 7 games we're struggling to get anything going offensively.

 

EDIT: Just got back from the gym. Was watching ESPN News while doing cardio and the stat they flashed during the Sox/Yanks game recap was that we haven't scored more than 5 runs in 31 of the last 40 games. I knew my instinct was right.

Edited August 29, 2009 by BigSqwert

[BigEdWalsh]

So firing a hitting coach is sending a message to the multi-millionaire players? Sorry, Walker is a well-liked guy, but firing him isn't going to make anyone hit any better. Whoever said they guaranteed the Sox offense couldn't get worse is pulling crap out of his ass. For the record, as awful as the White Sox offense has been this month and as terrible as Greg Walker supposedly has been, they are still scoring more than 5 runs a game for the month.

 

If there is a problem, I think its with the advanced scouting. These guys sometimes have no clue at the plate especially late against relief pitching. I think they have bad reports on pitchers.

 

BTW who on the White Sox is totally underachieving overall at the plate? Dye perhaps, but he was great earlier, did Walker just get stupid? Quentin? He was hurt, and of course his near MVP cannot be credited in anyway to Walker just his struggles, but its still better than he did in Arizona.

Yes, firing a hitting coach IS sending a message to "multi-millionaire" players. I've always liked Greg Walker too, both as a player and as a coach. Maybe the players really like him, how would I know? If that's so, then yeah it's for sure sending a message. Will it make them hit better? Maybe, maybe not. But, it would tell the "multi-millionaire" players that you guys aren't hitting as well as we'd like so Walker goes. Problem with advance scouting, good god yes (!) and has been for a long time.

[BigEdWalsh]

Are we watching the same offense?

 

And I can't help but to feel that a couple blowout wins has skewed our numbers for August. Seems like 6 out of 7 games we're struggling to get anything going offensively.

 

EDIT: Just got back from the gym. Was watching ESPN News while doing cardio and the stat they flashed during the Sox/Yanks game recap was that we haven't scored more than 5 runs in 31 of the last 40 games. I knew my instinct was right.

 

And let's see.....hmmmm...in those last 40 games the White Sox record is let's see....18-22. Oh yeah, that's great. That'll get it done. They're hovering around mediocrity. I'm sorry. Time to send a message to those "multi-millionaire" players and it starts with Walker.

[RME JICO]

Are we watching the same offense?

 

And I can't help but to feel that a couple blowout wins has skewed our numbers for August. Seems like 6 out of 7 games we're struggling to get anything going offensively.

 

EDIT: Just got back from the gym. Was watching ESPN News while doing cardio and the stat they flashed during the Sox/Yanks game recap was that we haven't scored more than 5 runs in 31 of the last 40 games. I knew my instinct was right.

 

What is odd is that we have scored 2 or less only 11 times in our last 70 games. So we are scoring enough to win. We shouldn't have to score 5 runs to win every game. As bad as our offense has looked our bullpen and our defense have been even worse.

[BigEdWalsh]

As bad as our offense has looked our bullpen and our defense have been even worse.

This is true. I think the whole thing with firing Walker is that changes have to be made. I'd like to see the White Sox be better than mediocre. Change has to start somewhere.