Ozzie Ball Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Was Trading Brandon Allen a Mistake? In one of Kenny Williams’ lower profile moves from this season he dealt a young 1st base prospect, Brandon Allen, to the Diamondbacks for reliever Tony Pena. Since the trade Pena’s performances have been uninspiring, to say the least, and Brandon Allen has been destroying PCL pitching, resulting in a promotion to Arizona. So I find myself posing the question; was trading Brandon Allen a mistake? --------------------- Basically I break down Allen's numbers when in Reno and try to explain why they are somewhat misleading also I give my thoughts on what I expect from Allen going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
son of a rude Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 The only reason I think it was is because we will be needing a power lefty in the future, and he fits that role. Thome will probably be around 1 more year at most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 (edited) Nicely written article Ozzie Ball. Everyone knows my views on it, especially in terms of value, but I still think Pena can be something for us when Coop works with him more. Edited August 27, 2009 by SoxAce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPN366 Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Yes. I am convinced that Brandon can win a gold glove though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Yes. I like Allen more than you (TS) do, but would've had no problem trading him (or any other prospect we have) for appropriate value, and I would not under any circumstances consider Tony Pena appropriate value. The deal looked bad at the time and now it looks even worse. Also, what Brandon Allen does or does not do in the Majors from this point on is mostly irrelevant IMO as far as it concerns this trade. What matters is what value we got out of our asset, and if it's another 6th inning righty specialist ready to hit arbitration after the season, then we got absolutely hosed, even if Allen never gets another hit in the Majors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Chris Young saids "hi!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 No doubt it was a mistake. Ranks right up there with the Red Sox trading Babe Ruth for cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Mark Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Allen just hit his first ML homer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Markbilliards @ Aug 27, 2009 -> 10:51 PM) Allen just hit his first ML homer ROY? Edited August 28, 2009 by Jordan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Bleah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 QUOTE (Markbilliards @ Aug 27, 2009 -> 11:51 PM) Allen just hit his first ML homer A 3-run shot no less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 He's also hitting .235. Chill out people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 27, 2009 -> 10:32 PM) Chris Young saids "hi!" ^^^^^^^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBetsy Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 QUOTE (danman31 @ Aug 28, 2009 -> 04:04 AM) He's also hitting .235. Chill out people. He also has had only about 20 ML at bats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBetsy Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 27, 2009 -> 11:32 PM) Chris Young saids "hi!" Chris Young was traded for major league talent (Vazquez), a starting pitcher that threw 200 innings for 3 years. I don't know what you call Tony Pena, but major league talent doesn't come to mind. And he's a 50 inning guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Aug 27, 2009 -> 11:49 PM) No doubt it was a mistake. Ranks right up there with the Red Sox trading Babe Ruth for cash. +1 QUOTE (BlackBetsy @ Aug 28, 2009 -> 08:13 AM) Chris Young was traded for major league talent (Vazquez), a starting pitcher that threw 200 innings for 3 years. I don't know what you call Tony Pena, but major league talent doesn't come to mind. And he's a 50 inning guy. Der...Yeah! That's it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwolf68 Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 A terrible mistake. Pathetic to deal a nice power hitting prospect for a freaking middle relief guy (who isn't any good anyway) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Since we don't have Brian Anderson any more, I guess this is the new thing to make 11 million threads about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 QUOTE (kwolf68 @ Aug 28, 2009 -> 10:06 AM) A terrible mistake. Pathetic to deal a nice power hitting prospect for a freaking middle relief guy (who isn't any good anyway) Exactly, a major league organization needs to prioritize plus-positional talent over relief pitching. It’s a simple numbers game: Allen, ideally, plays every day of the week in innings 1-9; Pena gives you maybe 3-4 innings per week. Its’ easy to see who has more value to a ballclub. I imagine the D-Backs were thrilled when KW called to offer them this stinker of a deal. This almost reminds me of when we drafted Royce Ring back in the 2002 draft. It’s an absolutely absurd over-valuation of a relief pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Eh, we owed them for the Quentin deal. I'll take that tradeoff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 QUOTE (BlackBetsy @ Aug 28, 2009 -> 07:13 AM) Chris Young was traded for major league talent (Vazquez), a starting pitcher that threw 200 innings for 3 years. I don't know what you call Tony Pena, but major league talent doesn't come to mind. And he's a 50 inning guy. My point is that we have no idea what Brandon Allen would be. Even if he started with a bang, he could fizzle out just as easily, and cost a franchise a hell of a money while they sit on a bust. At this time we just don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Aug 28, 2009 -> 10:40 AM) Exactly, a major league organization needs to prioritize plus-positional talent over relief pitching. It’s a simple numbers game: Allen, ideally, plays every day of the week in innings 1-9; Pena gives you maybe 3-4 innings per week. Its’ easy to see who has more value to a ballclub. I imagine the D-Backs were thrilled when KW called to offer them this stinker of a deal. This almost reminds me of when we drafted Royce Ring back in the 2002 draft. It’s an absolutely absurd over-valuation of a relief pitcher. That's such a short-sighted statement. Bullpen's win and lose championships for teams. What's the point in having a good closer if your pen sucks too much to get the game to him? Brandon Allen is a dime a dozen prospect (that's being a little harsh actually). He projects to be slightly above average at first base with decent power. It is not hard to find someone else to do the same thing. Not to mention we have Konerko still signed and two players with higher ceilings many people feel may eventually make their way over to 1B (Flowers, Viciedo). Edited August 28, 2009 by ChiSox_Sonix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 28, 2009 -> 10:53 AM) My point is that we have no idea what Brandon Allen would be. Even if he started with a bang, he could fizzle out just as easily, and cost a franchise a hell of a money while they sit on a bust. At this time we just don't know. Duhhh, yes we do! He's the second coming of Albert Pujols, silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Allen stroked that HR last night and did have 4 RBI but I think Ozzie ball did a great job summing up what you can project his offensive numbers to be and they aren't that special. Pena has the chance to be an upper echelon reliever and he has been over one season in his career. Will he do it again, I don't freaking know, but 1st baseman that put up those sort of numbers aren't as valuable as we think they are (in terms of trade). I didn't like trading Allen cause he might do better than Ozzie projected but I think in general Ozzie's projections in the article look fairly accurate and realistic. I wish BA the best of luck, but I'm not going to write off Tony Pena just yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Trading Allen wasn't a mistake(people are wayyyyyyy overrating him right now imo), trading him for Tony Pena was a mistake though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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