whitesoxfan101 Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 30, 2009 -> 02:50 PM) 4 guys who were average or better? That doesn't seem terrible to me. That seems about average. Perry played only 200 games, and Eric Soderholm as your 3rd best 3rd basemen in a span of almost half a century? That's not good at all. Edited August 30, 2009 by whitesoxfan101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Aug 30, 2009 -> 12:53 PM) Perry played only 200 games, and Eric Soderholm as your 3rd best 3rd basemen in a span of almost half a century? That's not good at all. The fact that I don't know who he is doesn't suddenly make a 114 OPS+ a bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 (edited) It's not easy to find great 3B you know... I think Bill James said that 3B was the hardest position to fill on the field. Edited August 30, 2009 by chw42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 QUOTE (LZPride08 @ Aug 30, 2009 -> 02:15 AM) i hope the white sox give him a 1 day ontract so he can retire a White Sox I'd like to see that too. As well as Frank one day (or at least honor him in some way, shape or form). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 I don't know about that, but he should be honored in some way after he retires. He already got a video when he came back with the Twins with their first USCF road game this year. If people feel he deserves more, perhaps being a spokesman for some strip club that airs commercials on 670 the score will be enough. 2005 4 LYFE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 check out the 3B on the north side in between Santo & Aramis, they could only wish they had Herbert Perry at some point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjshoe04 Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 QUOTE (santo=dorf @ Aug 30, 2009 -> 07:27 PM) He already got a video when he came back with the Twins with their first USCF road game this year. If people feel he deserves more, perhaps being a spokesman for some strip club that airs commercials on 670 the score will be enough. 2005 4 LYFE! I don't what people want the sox to do for Crede. We can't have a statue for every decent player we ever have. Chris Widger on the other hand should be given the key to the city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Aug 30, 2009 -> 08:09 PM) I don't what people want the sox to do for Crede. We can't have a statue for every decent player we ever have. Chris Widger on the other hand should be given the key to the city. I firmly believe Timo needs something too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHizzle85 Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 30, 2009 -> 09:15 PM) I firmly believe Timo needs something too. If he gets something before Jose Valentin...I'll riot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 QUOTE (Tex @ Aug 30, 2009 -> 07:51 AM) I hope he gives it every shot he has left before retiring and can walk away knowing he gave it his best. If he keeps on pushing it, he might end up walking away in a wheelchair. His back hasn't responded to surgery and he hasn't played anything close to full season since 2006. I wish that he'd be able to keep on playing but wouldn't think less of him for hanging up his spikes at this point. Whatever happens, Joe will always have a ring and will be revered by Sox fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Aug 30, 2009 -> 01:38 PM) <!--quoteo(post=1999773:date=Aug 30, 2009 -> 01:21 PM:name=whitesoxfan101)-->QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Aug 30, 2009 -> 01:21 PM) <!--quotec-->That's not a very good statement about the 3rd basemen we've had in your time as a fan (and I know you have been a Sox fan for quite a while). It's definitely an indictment on the team's inability to fill the 3B position with a competent everyday player. Playing for the Sox from 1965 to 2009, played 70% of games at 3B, requiring at least 100 G, sorted by greatest OPS+: (100 = league average) OPS+ GAMES 1. 117 1254 Robin Ventura 2. 115 976 Bill Melton 3. 114 329 Eric Solderholm 4. 101 201 Herbert Perry 5. 93 798 Joe Crede 6. 90 410 Vance Law 7. 85 196 Josh Fields f***ing right, dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Aug 31, 2009 -> 08:01 AM) f***ing right, dude. It's too bad that Perry had so many injury issues. Dude was pretty talented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 QUOTE (WCSox @ Aug 31, 2009 -> 12:24 PM) It's too bad that Perry had so many injury issues. Dude was pretty talented. And I'd say clutch, too. He was also one of the few players to show up in that Mariners ALDS series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 QUOTE (santo=dorf @ Aug 31, 2009 -> 12:27 AM) 2005 4 LYFE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 6, 2009 Share Posted September 6, 2009 That's going to be his statue one day. Everyone from 2005 will have one eventually. It's the perfect representation of Crede looking skyward at another pop up. Wow, just wow. He didn't hit too many pop ups when it counted in 2005. My god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Back injuries are tough, even with the best of medical care and rehab. Makes me really appreciate what Todd Helton accomplished this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Aug 30, 2009 -> 11:38 AM) <!--quoteo(post=1999773:date=Aug 30, 2009 -> 01:21 PM:name=whitesoxfan101)-->QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Aug 30, 2009 -> 01:21 PM) <!--quotec-->That's not a very good statement about the 3rd basemen we've had in your time as a fan (and I know you have been a Sox fan for quite a while). It's definitely an indictment on the team's inability to fill the 3B position with a competent everyday player. Playing for the Sox from 1965 to 2009, played 70% of games at 3B, requiring at least 100 G, sorted by greatest OPS+: (100 = league average) OPS+ GAMES 1. 117 1254 Robin Ventura 2. 115 976 Bill Melton 3. 114 329 Eric Solderholm 4. 101 201 Herbert Perry 5. 93 798 Joe Crede 6. 90 410 Vance Law 7. 85 196 Josh Fields hence the book, "Who's On Third?" a history of the White Sox by looking at who played third (first Sox book I ever read) link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 6, 2009 -> 12:30 PM) Wow, just wow. He didn't hit too many pop ups when it counted in 2005. My god. Just because a player played well in the 2005 post-season doesn't magically morph them into some demi-god of baseball. Crede was a below-average offensive 3rd baseman with a plus glove. Was he a good player for us? Yes. Stop treating him like he's Pujols or something, people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 QUOTE (League @ Sep 7, 2009 -> 06:28 AM) Just because a player played well in the 2005 post-season doesn't magically morph them into some demi-god of baseball. Crede was a below-average offensive 3rd baseman with a plus glove. Was he a good player for us? Yes. Stop treating him like he's Pujols or something, people. I don't think the two of you have been properly introduced yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 6, 2009 -> 01:30 PM) Wow, just wow. He didn't hit too many pop ups when it counted in 2005. My god. He hit plenty of popups in 2005, it was part of his schtick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 He hit plenty of popups in 2005, it was part of his schtick. The other part of his schtick was fielding awesomely and getting clutch hits. I thought the statue idea of him popping up was rude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 7, 2009 -> 04:13 PM) The other part of his schtick was fielding awesomely and getting clutch hits. I thought the statue idea of him popping up was rude. Why is it rude, Joe pops up a lot. A guy on the site had the name credepopsitup for a reason. Maybe if the statue had a small first aid box in the base it would be more appropriate.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 The one nice thing that would come out of Crede retiting is the end of the damned threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 Why is it rude, Joe pops up a lot. A guy on the site had the name credepopsitup for a reason. Maybe if the statue had a small first aid box in the base it would be more appropriate.... Wow. It's not like he isn't a tough player. Have you known anybody with back problems? There's no way you can play baseball effectively with back problems. None. His ass of an agent was stupid getting him a deal with a team that plays on turf. This was a year he should have signed with a team that plays on grass, any team that plays on grass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted September 7, 2009 Share Posted September 7, 2009 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 7, 2009 -> 06:28 PM) Wow. It's not like he isn't a tough player. Have you known anybody with back problems? There's no way you can play baseball effectively with back problems. None. His ass of an agent was stupid getting him a deal with a team that plays on turf. This was a year he should have signed with a team that plays on grass, any team that plays on grass. The grass didnt protect his back any more while he was with the white sox, it wasnt going to make a difference now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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