bobryansson Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 4, 2009 -> 03:08 PM) I'm OK with this lineup. Me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattZakrowski Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 I wish they'd quit wasting time with Getz, but whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 QUOTE (MattZakrowski @ Sep 4, 2009 -> 04:22 PM) I wish they'd quit wasting time with Getz, but whatever. He's not Chase Utley, but honestly, there isn't a replacement. Sure, we can move Beckham and Alexei, but to put who at 3rd? Fields? Why go through the trouble of moving two guys at this point for a possible upgrade of Fields over Getz? It's just not worth it, especially considering how poorly our defense has played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattZakrowski Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Nix>Getz, and I don't think it's even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Is Kotsay a decent rightfielder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 QUOTE (MattZakrowski @ Sep 4, 2009 -> 04:30 PM) Nix>Getz, and I don't think it's even close. Nix is better against lefties. Against righties, he's putting up a .650 OPS. Not that Getz's .675 is all that more impressive, but considering he plays better defense and is a better baserunner, I'd rather have him in there when we face righties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 I don't have anything against Chris Getz. For a team whose baseball IQ and will to win is constantly questioned, I find it odd that anyone would complain about Getzy. Would I like a better player? Sure. But I don't think we have one, so Getz it is. And furthermore, I have to say that I LOVE this lineup against Byrd. Byrd's junk always seems to catch our fence-swinging sluggers off guard, so this time let's try to put the bat on the baseball and force the issue instead. BTW I heard through the grapevine that Sweaty Freddy hasn't drained his balls in weeks, so expect them to drag on the mound tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Sep 4, 2009 -> 04:38 PM) I don't have anything against Chris Getz. For a team whose baseball IQ and will to win is constantly questioned, I find it odd that anyone would complain about Getzy. Would I like a better player? Sure. But I don't think we have one, so Getz it is. And furthermore, I have to say that I LOVE this lineup against Byrd. Byrd's junk always seems to catch our fence-swinging sluggers off guard, so this time let's try to put the bat on the baseball and force the issue instead. BTW I heard through the grapevine that Sweaty Freddy hasn't drained his balls in weeks, so expect them to drag on the mound tonight. I'm not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattZakrowski Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 QUOTE (iamshack @ Sep 4, 2009 -> 05:36 PM) Nix is better against lefties. Against righties, he's putting up a .650 OPS. Not that Getz's .675 is all that more impressive, but considering he plays better defense and is a better baserunner, I'd rather have him in there when we face righties. Getz does not play better defense, and If the OPS is that close, Nix should be getting most of the PA's imo, because Getz is a utility man at best, and Nix could hit 25 homers a year, while playing very good 2B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 4, 2009 -> 01:52 PM) Byrd seems to either own us, or we kick his butt, there really isn't an in between... And in the area of tempting fate, the Sox didn't commit an error in Minnesota, nor against the Cubs. He's the only guy to beat the 2005 White Sox in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted September 4, 2009 Author Share Posted September 4, 2009 (edited) BTW, Dye is out of the lineup because he is day-to-day with some back soreness. Edited September 4, 2009 by tommy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Win one for the Hawkeroo on his birthday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 QUOTE (MattZakrowski @ Sep 4, 2009 -> 04:43 PM) Getz does not play better defense, and If the OPS is that close, Nix should be getting most of the PA's imo, because Getz is a utility man at best, and Nix could hit 25 homers a year, while playing very good 2B. Honestly, Nix has been brutal defensively over the past month. Not sure if that is a fair sample size, but he hasn't looked like the guy he was in the first half of the season defensively. Secondly, Nix very well may hit you 25 home runs a year, but he'll hit them almost all against lefties, whom he has a stunning .951 OPS against. You really aren't losing much at all by sitting him against righties entirely. Meanwhile, Getz has stolen 21 of 23 bases this year, plays a solid second base, and provides better offense against righties. Why not take that chance to play him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 QUOTE (iamshack @ Sep 4, 2009 -> 05:47 PM) Honestly, Nix has been brutal defensively over the past month. Not sure if that is a fair sample size, but he hasn't looked like the guy he was in the first half of the season defensively. Secondly, Nix very well may hit you 25 home runs a year, but he'll hit them almost all against lefties, whom he has a stunning .951 OPS against. You really aren't losing much at all by sitting him against righties entirely. Meanwhile, Getz has stolen 21 of 23 bases this year, plays a solid second base, and provides better offense against righties. Why not take that chance to play him? I agree. While Nix turns a DP nicely, he's made several errors and screwed up several plays where he didn't get errors and cost the Sox runs, yet his backers can't get the Carny Lansford quote about his defense out of their heads. He hasn't been all that great defensively. Also, there is very little chance he can continue his home run pace. I like Getz. He brings you some things the Sox have been lacking in recent seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattZakrowski Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 QUOTE (iamshack @ Sep 4, 2009 -> 06:47 PM) Honestly, Nix has been brutal defensively over the past month. Not sure if that is a fair sample size, but he hasn't looked like the guy he was in the first half of the season defensively. Secondly, Nix very well may hit you 25 home runs a year, but he'll hit them almost all against lefties, whom he has a stunning .951 OPS against. You really aren't losing much at all by sitting him against righties entirely. Meanwhile, Getz has stolen 21 of 23 bases this year, plays a solid second base, and provides better offense against righties. Why not take that chance to play him? His 2B isn't solid, it's below average, and I think Nix's LH/RH splits will even out over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 QUOTE (MattZakrowski @ Sep 4, 2009 -> 06:15 PM) His 2B isn't solid, it's below average, and I think Nix's LH/RH splits will even out over time. This team really took off with Nix as the everyday starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 QUOTE (MattZakrowski @ Sep 4, 2009 -> 05:15 PM) His 2B isn't solid, it's below average, and I think Nix's LH/RH splits will even out over time. Even out? Seriously? Nix has a .951 OPS against lefties and a .650 OPS against righties. That's an extraordinarily large difference - not usually something that "evens out over time." As for your opinions regarding the two of them defensively, I guess we'll just agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 QUOTE (iamshack @ Sep 4, 2009 -> 05:21 PM) Even out? Seriously? Nix has a .951 OPS against lefties and a .650 OPS against righties. That's an extraordinarily large difference - not usually something that "evens out over time." As for your opinions regarding the two of them defensively, I guess we'll just agree to disagree. The original reason Nix was on the team was due to his defensive prowess. Nix has had amazing UZR numbers, scoring a 5.0 on RngR, 4.7 on UZR and 15.8 on UZR/150 at second. Getz has been below average: -2.3 RngR, -2.8 UZR, -3.3 UZR/150 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 QUOTE (League @ Sep 4, 2009 -> 05:38 PM) The original reason Nix was on the team was due to his defensive prowess. Nix has had amazing UZR numbers, scoring a 5.0 on RngR, 4.7 on UZR and 15.8 on UZR/150 at second. Getz has been below average: -2.3 RngR, -2.8 UZR, -3.3 UZR/150 And I appreciate his extreme range. However, he has been botching routine plays with regularity lately, which sort of negates his defensive prowess, wouldn't you agree? And I agree that one of the reasons he made the team was because of his defensive skills. If you look at where this discussion started, you'll see I stated over the past month or so, that he has not been the player he was in the first half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattZakrowski Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Nix Error Runs above average -1.1 Getz Error runs above average -.9 The error difference isn't even close to the range difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (MattZakrowski @ Sep 4, 2009 -> 05:52 PM) Nix Error Runs above average -1.1 Getz Error runs above average -.9 The error difference isn't even close to the range difference. Show me Nix's numbers for the past month. You'll notice I keep mentioning his play over the LAST MONTH. Edited September 4, 2009 by iamshack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 tigers just had a white sox moment - 1st and 3rd no outs...no runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 I just tuned it. Can somebody explain why AJ is hitting third? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 This umpire's already given Byrd a pretty generous call. Let's see what he can do for Freddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 4, 2009 -> 07:26 PM) I just tuned it. Can somebody explain why AJ is hitting third? I guess it's because he's hitting .310 and managers like to put their high average guy in the third spot? Plus he's a left handed bat, so he helps break up our right handed hitters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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