oldsox Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 He threw a shutout yesterday; Now 5-0. Does anybody know if Kenny tried to get Pedro, or was it a matter of choosing Bartolo over Pedro? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 I have a feeling Pedro would get rocked in the AL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 It doesn't really matter what you do, playing in the NL is way easier than the AL. The NL is an absolute joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Sep 14, 2009 -> 03:28 PM) I have a feeling Pedro would get rocked in the AL. He definitely would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 QUOTE (oldsox @ Sep 14, 2009 -> 04:28 PM) He threw a shutout yesterday; Now 5-0. Does anybody know if Kenny tried to get Pedro, or was it a matter of choosing Bartolo over Pedro? Pedro wasn't even healthy is April IIRC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Sep 14, 2009 -> 09:28 PM) I have a feeling Pedro would get rocked in the AL. My feeling is he would be better than Colon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWhiteSoxinNJ Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Sep 14, 2009 -> 04:45 PM) Pedro wasn't even healthy is April IIRC Ummm.....he pitched great in the World Baseball Classic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YonderLaroche Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 (edited) NL AVG OBP SLG 260/.331/.411 AL AVG OBP SLG 266/.335/.430 Not much of a difference, if you put the DH factor into it. NL isn't that much easier. Pedro hasn't really been healthy in a few years, but he has really good stuff when he is. I can't believe it took him so long to be signed. Edited September 14, 2009 by b-Rye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (b-Rye @ Sep 14, 2009 -> 06:36 PM) NL AVG OBP SLG 260/.331/.411 AL AVG OBP SLG 266/.335/.430 Not much of a difference, if you put the DH factor into it. NL isn't that much easier. Pedro hasn't really been healthy in a few years, but he has really good stuff when he is. I can't believe it took him so long to be signed. You're seriously going to use those stats to compare the two leagues? An OVERALL talent difference means difference in the pitching and hitting. The talent level difference is huge, an overall of suckage in one league leading to the same stats in a much tougher league does not mean they are equal. EDIT: Courtesy of CBS Sports- American League Team W-L AVG HR R ERA Baltimore Orioles 11-7 .291 16 93 4.01 Boston Red Sox 11-7 .258 21 91 3.68 Chicago White Sox 11-6 .269 28 85 2.79 Cleveland Indians 5-13 .235 21 87 5.12 Detroit Tigers 10-8 .259 29 75 4.62 Kansas City Royals 8-10 .242 14 65 4.81 Los Angeles Angels 14-4 .297 29 118 4.06 Minnesota Twins 12-6 .272 21 88 3.11 New York Yankees 10-8 .259 23 92 3.30 Oakland Athletics 5-13 .244 18 63 4.06 Seattle Mariners 11-7 .268 20 73 3.23 Tampa Bay Rays 13-5 .300 24 113 3.48 Texas Rangers 9-9 .233 28 76 3.48 Toronto Blue Jays 7-11 .253 23 82 4.96 Totals 137-114 .263 315 1201 3.91 National League Team W-L AVG HR R ERA Arizona Diamondbacks 5-10 .253 13 73 4.44 Atlanta Braves 7-8 .263 15 59 3.57 Chicago Cubs 6-8 .233 14 58 4.54 Cincinnati Reds 6-9 .255 13 63 4.74 Colorado Rockies 11-4 .278 18 76 4.02 Florida Marlins 10-8 .280 21 78 5.05 Houston Astros 6-9 .261 14 55 3.63 Los Angeles Dodgers 9-9 .264 15 77 3.99 Milwaukee Brewers 5-10 .263 17 72 6.61 New York Mets 5-10 .232 10 56 5.98 Philadelphia Phillies 6-12 .245 25 84 5.23 Pittsburgh Pirates 8-7 .279 15 61 3.44 San Diego Padres 5-10 .246 14 52 5.75 San Francisco Giants 9-6 .247 16 58 3.02 St. Louis Cardinals 9-6 .268 18 73 2.77 Washington Nationals 7-11 .250 11 66 4.55 Totals 114-137 .257 249 1061 4.46 Edited September 14, 2009 by bigruss22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Jose Contreras, Brad Penny, John Smoltz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 14, 2009 -> 04:55 PM) Jose Contreras, Brad Penny, John Smoltz. chicken dinner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Freddy Garcia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 QUOTE (knightni @ Sep 14, 2009 -> 05:11 PM) Freddy Garcia Different point. Your point is a guy can come back from injury. My point is that the NL is a hell of a lot weaker than the AL...guys who are dying in the AL are looking solid in the NL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aprec32 Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 14, 2009 -> 08:33 PM) Different point. Your point is a guy can come back from injury. My point is that the NL is a hell of a lot weaker than the AL...guys who are dying in the AL are looking solid in the NL. While I agree with what you are saying, this might mean Peavy is our 4th best pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiddleCoastBias Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Sep 14, 2009 -> 04:45 PM) Pedro wasn't even healthy is April IIRC I thought Pedro pitched in the WBC...? And I thought he pitched quite well but still no one picked him up? I was under the impression that the issue was that he was just asking for too much money from everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 QUOTE (aprec32 @ Sep 14, 2009 -> 06:38 PM) While I agree with what you are saying, this might mean Peavy is our 4th best pitcher. It may well. But...sometimes, a Cy Young winner is a Cy Young winner. KW's deal was a gamble, i think almost everyone will admit that at some level. You're taking the guy out of one of the best pitcher's parks in the junior varsity league and moving him to a hitter's park in a much stronger league. But on the other hand...he's got great stuff when healthy, he's won the pitching triple crown even on a bad team, he's pitched well away from Petco and the AL has only put up a .663 OPS against him in interleague play. So it's a gamble...but it's an educated one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 14, 2009 -> 06:55 PM) Jose Contreras, Brad Penny, John Smoltz. You pretty much nailed it with this post. It's not just a coincidence when guys look like replacement players in one league and within a couple weeks all-stars in another. Although I will say the best team in baseball right now is the St. Louis Cardinals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 QUOTE (b-Rye @ Sep 14, 2009 -> 06:36 PM) NL AVG OBP SLG 260/.331/.411 AL AVG OBP SLG 266/.335/.430 Not much of a difference, if you put the DH factor into it. NL isn't that much easier. Pedro hasn't really been healthy in a few years, but he has really good stuff when he is. I can't believe it took him so long to be signed. a 23 point difference in OPS is f'ing huge. I mean, .742 versus .765? That's over 77,000 PA's in the AL and over 87,000 in the NL. Yeah, you can talk about the plate appearances of the pitcher, but the point of the matter is that pitchers make up 5.7% of the plate appearances in the NL and pinch hitters make up 4.1%...yeah, that's not enough of a difference. The NL is far, far inferior to the AL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeynach Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 14, 2009 -> 04:41 PM) It doesn't really matter what you do, playing in the NL is way easier than the AL. The NL is an absolute joke. Oh yeah definatly, I gurantee Pedro would be totally awful in the AL. Just look what happened to Smoltz and Penny when they went from the NL to the AL and then back to the NL. The NL is a complete Joke, Brad Penny and John Smoltz take their 7.0 ERA's from the AL to the NL and become cy young caliber. I laugh at people who say they are good again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted September 17, 2009 Author Share Posted September 17, 2009 Bartolo could not get anyone out in either league, plus he was out of shape from the beginning. I never understood his signing, would have preferred Pedro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 You guys that say the NL sucks ... do you realize we just got Peavy?? Why are you assuming he'll thrive in the AL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 17, 2009 -> 01:21 PM) You guys that say the NL sucks ... do you realize we just got Peavy?? Why are you assuming he'll thrive in the AL? He has legitimate stuff. Pedro Martinez is smoke and mirrors; that can work in the NL, but it doesn't in the AL. You generally need a good fastball to pitch in the AL, and Peavy has that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 17, 2009 -> 01:21 PM) You guys that say the NL sucks ... do you realize we just got Peavy?? Why are you assuming he'll thrive in the AL? Not a really good comparison. Peavy is right smack in his prime and has had above average peripherals across the board for years. Guys like Smoltz and Penny are WAYYYY past their prime and don't have anywhere near the stuff they once had. As I said before, it's no coincidence when these old farts look like replacement players in the AL then go on to the NL and are suddely 'reborn' a couple weeks later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted September 19, 2009 Share Posted September 19, 2009 Penny's only 3 years older than Peavy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 24, 2009 Share Posted September 24, 2009 QUOTE (knightni @ Sep 18, 2009 -> 07:06 PM) Penny's only 3 years older than Peavy. and has had shoulder troubles within the past 3 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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