Kalapse Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 11, 2009 -> 05:12 PM) The difference is not $17 million worth of production. If it is, most players in the major leagues are vastly underpaid. Swisher made a few more plate appearances. I really doubt 33 walks, 5 walks a month is worth anywhere near $17 million. You're ignoring DEFENSE and a .045 point difference in slugging. And that's before weighting everything out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Kalapse @ Oct 11, 2009 -> 05:16 PM) You can't just say that off the top of your head. Dye was the worst defender at his position and posted below average offensive production, there's no value in that. If you're going to be horrible at one facet of the game then you need to be above average at another, unfortunately Jermaine was not. Look at the numbers. Another 24 AB, Dye might hit 2 homers and would have more homers and RBI than Swisher and a higher average. Swisher was below average defensively as well. I can definitely say Swisher's 2009 performance is not worth 17 million more than JD's performance and I am really no fan of JD. They also had Swisher's value in 2008 over $5 million higher than Dye's in 2009. Check those numbers. Dye outdid him in hr, ribi, avg, obp and slug. pct. They obviously have a hard on for Swisher and walks must be the most important stat. In fact, Jermaine Dye's 2006 season when he hit 44 homers, had a .385 obp and an OPS of 1.006 is worth $5 million less than Nick Swisher's 2009. I know Dye hasn't been a plus fielder, but neither is Swisher. There is a flaw with their system. Edited October 11, 2009 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 11, 2009 -> 05:22 PM) Look at the numbers. Another 24 AB, Dye might hit 2 homers and would have more homers and RBI than Swisher and a higher average. Swisher was below average defensively as well. I can definitely say Swisher's 2009 performance is not worth 17 million more than JD's performance and I am really no fan of JD. They also had Swisher's value in 2008 over $5 million higher than Dye's in 2009. Check those numbers. Dye outdid him in hr, ribi, avg, obp and slug. pct. They obviously have a hard on for Swisher and walks must be the most important stat. Yes, the computer has a hard on for Swisher. When you're 18.7 runs below replacement defensively you're not going to be worth s*** unless you're absolutely raking. Swisher came in at 0.1 runs below replacement which is average. They use weighted on base average to determine a hitter's park adjusted runs above average, if you want to know how the number is calculated then you can read about it here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Kalapse @ Oct 11, 2009 -> 05:33 PM) Yes, the computer has a hard on for Swisher. When you're 18.7 runs below replacement defensively you're not going to be worth s*** unless you're absolutely raking. Swisher came in at 0.1 runs below replacement which is average. They use weighted on base average to determine a hitter's park adjusted runs above average, if you want to know how the number is calculated then you can read about it here. So if you knew exactly how they would play and you were running a team, you would take Nick Swisher's 2009 over JD's 2006 and Nick Swisher's 2008 over JD's 2009, because fangraphs has them both worth $5 million more than the other choice. In fact, Juan Uribe's 2009 is worth a couple of million more than JD's 2006. How come no one is b****ing about letting him go for nothing? At least they received some bodies for the other guys. Stiffs, but bodies. As far as Swisher's defense vs. JD's this year, I know JD is horrid defensive, but even fangraphs says Swishers defense was on par with Scott Podsednik's this year, I don't see $17 million worth of production difference between the 2. Its a lot of money. Edited October 11, 2009 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 Why the hell did they trade Norm Cash?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 Official FanGraphs rankings: Jermaine Dye, RF: 0.2 Fingers/Butthole Nick Swisher, 1B/OF: 3.7 Fingers/Butthole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted October 12, 2009 Author Share Posted October 12, 2009 QUOTE (knightni @ Oct 11, 2009 -> 11:39 PM) Why the hell did they trade Norm Cash?! Or Earl Battey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted October 12, 2009 Author Share Posted October 12, 2009 QUOTE (knightni @ Oct 11, 2009 -> 11:39 PM) Why the hell did they trade Norm Cash?! Or Denny McClain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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