watchtower41 Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Will Beckham bring home the Bacon? Though not a shoe-in as many once thought, I'd still say he'd be the guy to beat with .270 average and close to 65 RBI's in the short time he played. The Beckham hyper machine was in full swing in mid-summer, and all of baseball began to take notice as hopefully we'll have 3B locked up for the next decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 I think the average falling off, plus not playing the first two months of the season will hurt Gordo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 5, 2009 -> 08:23 AM) I think the average falling off, plus not playing the first two months of the season will hurt Gordo. The fact that he cooled off is key. If he would've finished the season hitting .310 or something, he may have been the front-runner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 I love the fact that this is the second year in a row that we have a ROY candidate. When was the last time an organization did that? Dodger maybe (Karros & Piazza)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 This was a very weak year for rookies. At least in the AL. So Beck's got that going for him. I see Andrew Bailey winning it. I'd imagine Gordon will finish at least in the top 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 He has a good chance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (striker62704 @ Oct 5, 2009 -> 10:55 AM) I love the fact that this is the second year in a row that we have a ROY candidate. When was the last time an organization did that? Dodger maybe (Karros & Piazza)? Dodgers had FIVE rookie of the years in a row during that stretch. Karros-Piazza-Mondesi-Nomo-Hollandsworth. How sick is that? Oakland had back-to-back winners in 04 and 05 (Crosby & Street). Edited October 5, 2009 by bschmaranz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 I voted No, but I would like to see him win it. I think his cooling off towards the end hurt his chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Porcello will win it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Oct 5, 2009 -> 11:11 AM) Porcello will win it. agree, and a big win on the road in Minnesota tomorrow would help his chances greatly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Well, the only way to answer this question honestly is to look at the competition. To me, that's Porcello and Romero. Porcello, 14-9, 165 IP, 4.04 ERA, 81 SO, 113 ERA+. Romero, 13-9, 4.30 ERA, 178 IP 141 SO, 102 ERA+. The reality is, no one really ran away with it. I think Porcello probably should win, but narrowly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Oct 5, 2009 -> 11:00 AM) He has a good chance Not really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 The one other guy worth bringing up might be Andrus. Played a full year, .267 average, 6 HR, .702 OPS, 85 OPS+, but supposedly very good with the glove. I don't think I'd pick him over Becks, but he's in the top 5. I think Porcello, Beckham, Romero, Andrus is probably a good order of finish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 5, 2009 -> 11:17 AM) The one other guy worth bringing up might be Andrus. Played a full year, .267 average, 6 HR, .702 OPS, 85 OPS+, but supposedly very good with the glove. I don't think I'd pick him over Becks, but he's in the top 5. I think Porcello, Beckham, Romero, Andrus is probably a good order of finish. Keep in mind it's two beat writers from each AL city that vote for the top 3. You'll probably see Porcello, Andrus, and Andrew Bailey get a lot of top 3 votes. I really don't think Beckham will be very close at all. You may see some AL Central writers give Beckham a couple second place and third place votes. Maybe a Chicago voter will give him a first, but he won't be close to winning. Edited October 5, 2009 by flavum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 He definitely has a shot but with three players also in the mix for the honor, I think you've got to take the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 I am taking Bailey, his numbers were sick. And I don't care that he played for the A's or was a reliever, he still was a rookie and the best damn numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Oct 5, 2009 -> 11:51 AM) I am taking Bailey, his numbers were sick. And I don't care that he played for the A's or was a reliever, he still was a rookie and the best damn numbers. Yeah, if they're going to give it to a pitcher it should be Bailey. Porcello, although I think he'll be good overall, wasn't that impressive to me. Even with the 14 wins. I like Romero a lot. But if it's not Andrus or GB, it should be Bailey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 (edited) Reimold - .279/.365/.466, 115 OPS+, .365 wOBA, 15 HR, 103 games, 411 PA, -10.7 UZR/150 in LF, 1.0 WAR Beckham - .270/.347/.460, 106 OPS+, .351 wOBA, 14 HR, 103 Games, 430 PA, -2 UZR/150 at 3B, 2.0 WAR Andrus - .267/.329/.373, 85 OPS+, .322 wOBA, 6 HR, 145 games, 541 PA, 8.5 UZR/150 at SS, 2.9 WAR Porcello - 30 GS, 165 IP, 14-9, 4.04 ERA, 113 ERA+, 1.35 WHIP, .270 BAA, 1.62 K/BB, 4.81 FIP, 1.7 WAR Romero - 29 GS, 178 IP, 13-9, 4.30 ERA, 102 ERA+, 1.52 WHIP, .277 BAA, 1.78 K/BB, 4.34 FIP, 2.9 WAR Niemann - 30 GS, 180.2 IP, 13-6, 3.94 ERA, 116 ERA+, 1.35 WHIP, .266 BAA, 2.12 K/BB, 4.07 FIP, 3.1 WAR Bailey - 68 G, 83.1 IP, 6-3, 26 SV, 87% SV%, 1.84 ERA, 226 ERA+, 0.88 WHIP, .173 BAA, 3.79 K/BB, 2.56 FIP, 2.4 WAR Andrus has a higher WAR because he played about 40 more games than both Reimold and Beckham. WAR also heavily favors defense since it's just straight up UZR, so I wouldn't actually say that Andrus would be better than Beckham if they played the same amount of time at their respective production levels. Niemann is clearly the best starting pitcher. They all pitched similar number of innings and games and Niemann had the best ERA+, K/BB, and FIP. Bailey gets discredited as a reliever with his WAR. But the guy has been very good as a closer. Honestly, rookie of the year isn't about who's the most valuable player, but rather the best rookie performance. I might have to give it to Bailey. Edited October 5, 2009 by chw42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 The writers will give it to Andrus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 5, 2009 -> 12:53 PM) Yeah, if they're going to give it to a pitcher it should be Bailey. Look at Brett Anderson's numbers. Beyond Win and Loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 I think Porcello deserves it - the guy's a stud. Shudder to think of him and Verlander anchoring that crew for the next several years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Oct 5, 2009 -> 05:13 PM) I think Porcello deserves it - the guy's a stud. Shudder to think of him and Verlander anchoring that crew for the next several years. That's nice. I like Peavy/Buehrle/Danks/Floyd a lot more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 5, 2009 -> 05:20 PM) That's nice. I like Peavy/Buehrle/Danks/Floyd a lot more. And that Hudson guy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simba43 Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Oct 6, 2009 -> 12:11 AM) Porcello will win it. i agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Porcello's core numbers are awful, everything but Wins is mediocre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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