Balta1701 Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Oct 5, 2009 -> 05:04 PM) Porcello's core numbers are awful, everything but Wins is mediocre. ERA right around 4? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 I'd say Anderson had the better year Porcello 1.345 WHIP 9.4h/9, 1.2 hr/9 4.4K/9 2.7BB/9 4.04ERA Anderson 1.283/WHIP 9.2h/9 1hr/9 7.7k/9, 2.3BB/9 4.06 ERA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 (edited) Beckham probably won't win, but there is no rookie or any player drafted in the 2008 draft KW couldn't get straight up for him. I fully expect Gordon Beckham, if he doesn't get hurt, to be a Hall of Famer, and one of the greatest White Sox of all time. Edited October 6, 2009 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 The stats also suggest that Niemann followed by Romero were both better then Porcello. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 5, 2009 -> 03:20 PM) That's nice. I like Peavy/Buehrle/Danks/Floyd a lot more. oh i like them too - but not one of them is the pitcher that Verlander is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Oct 5, 2009 -> 06:53 PM) oh i like them too - but not one of them is the pitcher that Verlander is. I really hope somehow, Jake Peavy becomes aware that people are saying things like this about him. Because 2 years ago, he might well have been better. And it's not like he's that old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Oct 5, 2009 -> 09:53 PM) oh i like them too - but not one of them is the pitcher that Verlander is. Oh, Peavy is similar to Verlander. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 QUOTE (knightni @ Oct 5, 2009 -> 07:05 PM) Oh, Peavy is similar to Verlander. Depends on how you define similar. Can Peavy pump it up to 99? I don't recall him doing that. But that doesn't mean he can't be just as nasty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 5, 2009 -> 10:06 PM) Depends on how you define similar. Can Peavy pump it up to 99? I don't recall him doing that. But that doesn't mean he can't be just as nasty. Similar results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 He had a great year, but he won't win it unfortunately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 5, 2009 -> 07:06 PM) Depends on how you define similar. Can Peavy pump it up to 99? I don't recall him doing that. But that doesn't mean he can't be just as nasty. in the 9th inning. On pitch #120. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 He wont win, but I'm gonna be pissed if he finished four or fifth in voting, which wouldn't surprise me in the least... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Writers will give it to Andrus or Porcello, though I think their are better candidates for both pitchers (Romero, Niemann, Bailey) and position players (Beckham). Anyone remember how Wieters and Price were supposed to get it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Oct 5, 2009 -> 08:53 PM) oh i like them too - but not one of them is the pitcher that Verlander is. Peavy is better than Verlander without question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickofypres Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Beckham should win because he's out there every day. All the pitchers go out there a few times a week. If Beckham doesn't win the the ROY then its all a sham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
son of a rude Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Beckham should win because he's out there every day. All the pitchers go out there a few times a week. If Beckham doesn't win the the ROY then its all a sham. Andrus put up good numbers and played great defense. i wouldnt be too disappointed if Beckham lost to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 6, 2009 -> 10:03 PM) Peavy is better than Verlander without question. You forgot that he cannot hit 99, on pitch 120, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 QUOTE (whitesox901 @ Oct 7, 2009 -> 12:00 AM) Beckham should win because he's out there every day. All the pitchers go out there a few times a week. If Beckham doesn't win the the ROY then its all a sham. IN the same respect, pitchers have less chance for success or failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyuen Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 6, 2009 -> 10:03 PM) Peavy is better than Verlander without question. uhhh no hes not. an argument could be made for either but certainly not without question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boogua Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 QUOTE (docsox24 @ Oct 7, 2009 -> 12:15 PM) uhhh no hes not. an argument could be made for either but certainly not without question. Just wondering what argument can be made in Verlander's case... I mean, he obviously had a better year than Peavy this year, but that's because Peavy missed a substantial amount of time. 4 out of the last 6 seasons Peavy has had a better ERA+ than Verlander had this year and this was Verlander's best year of his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
son of a rude Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Just wondering what argument can be made in Verlander's case... I mean, he obviously had a better year than Peavy this year, but that's because Peavy missed a substantial amount of time. 4 out of the last 6 seasons Peavy has had a better ERA+ than Verlander had this year and this was Verlander's best year of his career. Peavy's WHIP is a ton better too, along with most other stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyuen Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 QUOTE (Boogua @ Oct 7, 2009 -> 12:47 PM) Just wondering what argument can be made in Verlander's case... I mean, he obviously had a better year than Peavy this year, but that's because Peavy missed a substantial amount of time. 4 out of the last 6 seasons Peavy has had a better ERA+ than Verlander had this year and this was Verlander's best year of his career. Start with the fact that Verlander is just reaching his prime and had his best season and is a horse. Continue with the fact that Peavy pitched in the best pithing park in baseball and in a crap league, which certainly helps his stats immensly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 I think we need to see an entire season from Peavy in the AL before we can really make a case for either. Now back to your regularly scheduled discussion about Gordo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 QUOTE (docsox24 @ Oct 7, 2009 -> 01:20 PM) Start with the fact that Verlander is just reaching his prime and had his best season and is a horse. Continue with the fact that Peavy pitched in the best pithing park in baseball and in a crap league, which certainly helps his stats immensly. I didnt realize that Peavy was past his prime and that Petco delivered him his cy young. Werent his numbers significantly better on the road than they were in Petco over his career? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeFabregas Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 QUOTE (docsox24 @ Oct 7, 2009 -> 01:20 PM) Start with the fact that Verlander is just reaching his prime and had his best season and is a horse. Continue with the fact that Peavy pitched in the best pithing park in baseball and in a crap league, which certainly helps his stats immensly. ERA+ accounts for league and park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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