iamshack Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 5, 2009 -> 03:14 PM) I wonder, if guys from our team were somehow encouraging this...whether that might reflect badly around the league on our guys I was thinking along the same lines, except more in terms of if Ozzie was encouraging it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted October 5, 2009 Author Share Posted October 5, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 5, 2009 -> 04:14 PM) I wonder, if guys from our team were somehow encouraging this...whether that might reflect badly around the league on our guys Nah... I don't think so. With the additional info that has come out, it appears Cabrera has some personal issues causing the problem. Unhappy marriage, etc. Edited October 5, 2009 by scenario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 5, 2009 -> 10:14 PM) I wonder, if guys from our team were somehow encouraging this...whether that might reflect badly around the league on our guys If true that would be sad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 QUOTE (scenario @ Oct 5, 2009 -> 02:27 PM) Nah... I don't think so. With the additional info that has come out, it appears Cabrera has some personal issues causing the problem. Unhappy marriage, etc. Even with that report...put it this way...do you want to be the guy buying more drinks for an alcoholic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 5, 2009 -> 03:43 PM) Even with that report...put it this way...do you want to be the guy buying more drinks for an alcoholic? Whoa, let's not paint the guy as an alcoholic now. He's 26, makes 8 figures, and plays professional baseball for a living. You're bound to get into a little trouble now and again with that combination of circumstances...but we have nowhere near enough information to brand the guy an alcoholic... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 5, 2009 -> 02:52 PM) Whoa, let's not paint the guy as an alcoholic now. He's 26, makes 8 figures, and plays professional baseball for a living. You're bound to get into a little trouble now and again with that combination of circumstances...but we have nowhere near enough information to brand the guy an alcoholic... I'm not saying he is, I'm attempting to use a reasonable metaphor. I'm just saying, if the guy already has a problem, and you're the one encouraging it, yes, that guy has a problem, but you're still a scumbag for encouraging it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 5, 2009 -> 03:57 PM) I'm not saying he is, I'm attempting to use a reasonable metaphor. I'm just saying, if the guy already has a problem, and you're the one encouraging it, yes, that guy has a problem, but you're still a scumbag for encouraging it. Ahh, well, I have a feeling a lot of young guys have these kind of problems in MLB. I have a feeling our own manager has these sorts of "problems," if you want to refer to them as that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simba43 Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 detroit has some problems going into this offseason especially all those big contracts of players like willis who may not ever play again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 5, 2009 -> 04:43 PM) Even with that report...put it this way...do you want to be the guy buying more drinks for an alcoholic? I think its pretty presumptious to call the guy an alcoholic. As someone who was arrested and given a breathalyzer (I was not driving) but was 17 years old at the time and was peeing in some bushes when the bathroom was locked in Williams Bay, WI, I blew a .18. I had done a little drinking in HS, it was during the post prom I was busted, and can tell you at .18 which is more than double most states legally drunk rates, I was pretty much in control of my actions even with a pretty strong buzz and even with my limited drinking experience at that point, and while driving may have been a problem, I was not nor has Cabrera been accused of it. While I'm sure Cabrera was smashed, there is no way alcoholic can or should be used with the information given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 5, 2009 -> 05:44 PM) I think its pretty presumptious to call the guy an alcoholic. I never called him an alcoholic. Why is the setup there so hard to understand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 5, 2009 -> 05:07 PM) Ahh, well, I have a feeling a lot of young guys have these kind of problems in MLB. I have a feeling our own manager has these sorts of "problems," if you want to refer to them as that... I don't know if its a "problem". Boys will be boys. As long as they aren't driving or risking lives, I have no problem with guys going out and drinking their sacks off as long as it doesn't interfere with their performance. Its part of life. Who hasn't gone out and got hammered in college with an exam the next day? I know I did. Does that mean I had a problem or was just probably a little or may be more than a little immature? Edited October 6, 2009 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Is is true that Dombrowski bailed him out? Because that's awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Oct 5, 2009 -> 07:48 PM) Is is true that Dombrowski bailed him out? Because that's awesome. It is true and you have to be wondering what's going through the guy's mind after he has to get the guy he gave 9 figures to out of jail when they are playing for their playoff lives. That said, I would take Miguel Cabrera in a hearbeat, and I usually pass on questions about character. I don't think this is a big deal, and I pass on all wife beaters. I think its awesome Cabrera played with scratches on his face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 5, 2009 -> 05:47 PM) I don't know if its a "problem". Boys will be boys. As long as they aren't driving or risking lives, I have no problem with guys going out and drinking their sacks off as long as it doesn't interfere with their performance. Its part of life. Who hasn't gone out and got hammered in college with an exam the next day? I know I did. Does that mean I had a problem or was just probably a little or may be more than a little immature? He went 0/11 with a walk on Sunday in that series. If you're a Tigers fan, would you have a problem with that? Sure seems like it didn't help his performance at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted October 6, 2009 Author Share Posted October 6, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Oct 5, 2009 -> 07:48 PM) Is is true that Dombrowski bailed him out? Because that's awesome. He had to. Think about it... Cabrera got home at 6am. He was picked up at the police station at 8am. Miggy was still drunk. No way he could drive. And no way his wife was going to come get him. Edited October 6, 2009 by scenario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 5, 2009 -> 07:54 PM) He went 0/11 with a walk on Sunday in that series. If you're a Tigers fan, would you have a problem with that? Sure seems like it didn't help his performance at least. He was 0 for before the incident. I understand where you are coming from, but they won the last game and Saturday if he was 4 for 4 with 4 homers it probably wouldn't have mattered. If it was Ozzie or Freddy who got him hammerred, more power to them. You may be right, Cabrera might have a problem. I just don't think we can assume that based on the given information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Detroit is a third place team in 2010. Lots of core guys on the wrong side of 30, Jackson pitched over his head this season, Porcello will regress. Joel Zumaya hasn't been the same since Guitar Hero... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 5, 2009 -> 05:47 PM) I don't know if its a "problem". Boys will be boys. As long as they aren't driving or risking lives, I have no problem with guys going out and drinking their sacks off as long as it doesn't interfere with their performance. Its part of life. Who hasn't gone out and got hammered in college with an exam the next day? I know I did. Does that mean I had a problem or was just probably a little or may be more than a little immature? The problem is that Cabrera isn't a "boy." He's a 26-year-old man with a wife and a kid at home. I'm sure that I was at 0.2 once or twice back in my mid-20's, but I wasn't married with a kid, nor did I get into a physical altercation with a woman and end up in the slammer. Cabrera needs to grow the f up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 QUOTE (WCSox @ Oct 5, 2009 -> 08:50 PM) The problem is that Cabrera isn't a "boy." He's a 26-year-old man with a wife and a kid at home. I'm sure that I was at 0.2 once or twice back in my mid-20's, but I wasn't married with a kid, nor did I get into a physical altercation with a woman and end up in the slammer. Cabrera needs to grow the f up. exactly. Detroit should start the Bob Probert DUI Hall of Fame. I doubt anyone will top his .35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 QUOTE (Tex @ Oct 6, 2009 -> 07:42 AM) exactly. Detroit should start the Bob Probert DUI Hall of Fame. I doubt anyone will top his .35 LOL about Probert. That brings back some memories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 QUOTE (WCSox @ Oct 5, 2009 -> 08:50 PM) The problem is that Cabrera isn't a "boy." He's a 26-year-old man with a wife and a kid at home. I'm sure that I was at 0.2 once or twice back in my mid-20's, but I wasn't married with a kid, nor did I get into a physical altercation with a woman and end up in the slammer. Cabrera needs to grow the f up. Speaking of Cabrera and "boys" http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/projo-....1ea977ff9.html Police say Miguel Cabrera nearly fought with teenager at bar in late August 11:57 PM EDT on Monday, October 5, 2009 By TAMMY STABLES BATTAGLIA The Detroit News DETROIT - Detroit Tigers slugger Miguel Cabrera - under fire for a weekend of bad baseball and what police describe as heavy drinking at a suburban Detroit hotel and a scuffle with his wife - now has to answer for a second bizarre incident at the hotel. A police report released late Monday quotes witnesses as saying an erratic Cabrera taunted an overweight, 15-year-old boy at the Townsend Hotel in Birmingham, Mich., in late August and had to be escorted out. One witness said Cabrera "acted as if he was on some drug" during the outburst; witnesses said the confrontation grew so heated that he challenged the teen's table to a fight outside and implied he had a gun there. The August incident prompted Tigers President Dave Dombrowski and the team's legal counsel to meet with Cabrera, the report said. Dombrowki "told Cabrera not to frequent" the Townsend again, the report stated, citing a text message from a Tigers security official. Late Monday, Dombrowski, who is in Minnesota for the Tigers showdown today with the Twins, denied telling Cabrera to avoid the Townsend. Dombrowski would not comment on whether a meeting took place and said the rest of the police report on the August incident was not entirely accurate. He would not elaborate on either police incident. Cabrera, too, remained largely silent Monday about the incident with his wife Saturday that has engulfed the Tigers in controversy on the eve of their most important game all season. He did issue a statement asking for privacy and apologizing to teammates and fans for any "distraction." The two incidents - roughly five weeks apart - have much in common. Both followed tough losses in which Cabrera, an elite hitter, did not perform well. In both episodes, Cabrera apparently went to the Townsend to meet up with friends on the visiting team who were staying at the hotel. Friday night, Cabrera went 0-for-4 against the Chicago White Sox as the Tigers sought to clinch the American League Central Division title. After the game, police said, Cabrera went to the Townsend to party late with some Sox players. That did not seem to sit well with his wife, Rosangel Cabrera, who told police her husband loudly returned to their Birmingham home around dawn, waking up the couple's 4-year-old daughter. Things got ugly from there, according to police. Rosangel Cabrera, also 26, called 911 at 6:05 a.m., sobbing into the phone that her husband had struck her. "I need help, please," she pleaded. Police arrived to find her with an injured lip and Miguel Cabrera with scratches along the left side of his face. Cabrera's wife insisted he leave the home and he agreed. Officers drove him to the station. Miguel Cabrera - "very uncooperative and highly intoxicated," according to the police report - had a 0.26 blood-alcohol level on a portable breathalyzer, more than three times the legal limit to drive. After investigators determined both Cabreras were aggressors in the situation, Patterson said, the player was released. Dombrowski, the Tigers executive, picked Cabrera up at the station between 7:30 and 8 a.m. Saturday. "We were just making sure we're in the right range to turn him over to an official from the Tigers and he wasn't in any medical danger," police Cmdr. Mark Clemence said Monday of releasing Cabrera to Dombrowski. He added that people who test at a 0.35 blood-alcohol level are taken to a hospital as a medical precaution. Police said they found a damaged cell phone in the home; a gold chain Miguel Cabrera wears around his neck was broken, too. But when officers asked the couple what happened, neither would explain, according to the report. In the earlier incident, police said they were called to the Townsend's Rugby Grille at 6:30 p.m. Aug. 31, hours after the Tigers dropped a day game to Tampa Bay, 11-7. Cabrera had one hit and left three men on base. According to the report, Aaron Cohen of Birmingham recognized Cabrera sitting at the bar and said hello. At first the player was pleasant, asking Cohen if he wanted something to eat. Cabrera, who witnesses said was drinking from a large cup, then gestured at the teen sitting with Cohen, saying "What's up, big boy, you need to work out." When the boy took offense, Cohen said, he tried to stop the situation from escalating, but Cabrera became belligerent. Cabrera started to "rant and rave," according to the report, and said, "You don't know me or where I am from." He then continued, "Let's go, right now" and "I'll fight both of you right now; let's go outside." The report said Cabrera then started swearing and "speaking to himself with his head up in the air," as if in prayer. He said, "Let's go outside, I have a Land Rover and I'll get my 'click clack,' " motioning the racking of a gun, according to investigators. Two restaurant workers finally convinced Cabrera to leave. One employee, a bartender, said she thought Cabrera, who usually visited another bar at the Townsend, was there that evening to visit players on the Cleveland Indians, the Tigers' next opponent. The police report said that Tigers security chief Richard Fenton later sent police a text describing how Cabrera conceded to team officials he had been out of line and blamed his conduct on his poor performance against Tampa Bay and "marital issues." Fenton said he had checked Cabrera's vehicle and found no weapon. The police troubles came to light within days after Cabrera showed up for Saturday's game with abrasions on his face; he blamed his dog. The Tigers lost 5-1 Saturday night to the Chicago White Sox. Cabrera went 0-for-4. They won 5-3 Sunday. Upon arriving with the team at its Minneapolis-area hotel Monday, Cabrera said he wouldn't comment beyond his statement, but added, "I think everything is going to be fine. I have to focus for the game." Peter Wilde, managing director of the Townsend Hotel, said there would be no comment from the hotel. "Really, we have what you would consider a long-standing policy not to reveal the identity of our hotel guests or anything that goes on in the hotel," Wilde said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Dude has issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 QUOTE (WCSox @ Oct 6, 2009 -> 10:23 AM) LOL about Probert. That brings back some memories. I never heard it confirmed, but I swear I read somewhere that when Probert was asked how he could stand with a BAC of .35 he said it must have been all the coke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 So, the Tigers lost the division amid questions that Cabreras drunken condition cost them the last series of the year. How long does this story fester? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 7, 2009 -> 07:42 AM) So, the Tigers lost the division amid questions that Cabreras drunken condition cost them the last series of the year. How long does this story fester? Unless he wins the big one, the rest of his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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