prochisox Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 (edited) The season has come to an end and rankings are out. Here's a rundown of our Sox rankings. Jermaine Dye - Type A Octavio Dotel - Type B Scott Podsednik - none Mark Kotsay - none Ramon Castro - none Bartolo Colon - none Jim Thome - none Jose Contreras - none Notables: Matt Holliday - Type A Jason Bay - Type A Nick Johnson - Type B Chone Figgins - Type B Bobby Abreu - Type A Johnny Damon - Type A Fernando Rodney - Type B Placido Polanco - Type A Orlando Hudson - Type A Marco Scutaro - Type A Vlad Guerrero - Type A Hideki Matsui - Type B Rich Harden - Type B Marlon Byrd - Type B Randy Winn - Type B Mike Cameron - Type B Austin Kearns - none Freddy Sanchez - Type A Miguel Tejada - Type A Coco Crisp - none Kiko Calero - Type B Brian Shouse - Type B Russ Springer - Type B Adrian Beltre - Type B Justin Duchscherer - Type B Jarrod Washburn - none Kelvim Escobar - none Erik Bedard - Type B Rick Ankiel - none Brett Myers - none Robb Quinlann - none Interesting Type B's. Edited October 6, 2009 by GO CHI SOX! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 I really wonder if we could have an O-Cab type deal. Where we offer Dye ARB, and highly suggest that he not take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Oct 5, 2009 -> 10:42 PM) I really wonder if we could have an O-Cab type deal. Where we offer Dye ARB, and highly suggest that he not take it. yeah, that will be interesting, I think the Sox would be a little more concerned about that with Dye though after his 2nd half. I don't think they'll offer it to him. Harden as a type B? Well I don't see how the Cubs can even dream of offering him Arb now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prochisox Posted October 6, 2009 Author Share Posted October 6, 2009 QUOTE (3E8 @ Oct 5, 2009 -> 08:59 PM) Link? http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/10/elia...ngs-update.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Definitely not a surprise, but he easily could have fallen on the other side of the fence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sin city sox fan Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 No compensation for Colon????? Thats BS....we should at least get a Big Mac or two if he signs with another club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBetsy Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Oct 5, 2009 -> 11:42 PM) I really wonder if we could have an O-Cab type deal. Where we offer Dye ARB, and highly suggest that he not take it. I don't think that worked out too well for O-Cab. That was pretty much the Jedi mind trick to get O-Cab to not take arbitration. However, if you gave Dye $3 million to decline arbitration, I could see that working out. You are essentially paying $3 million for a draft pick. However, it also means that Dye is most likely to sign with a team in the top 15 which is protected from Type-A compensation. It may not be consistent with the CBA for a team to offer a player cash to decline arbitration. If Dye is making $12 million this year, the least he could be OFFERED by the club in arbitration is $9.6 million (the max 20% hair cut). Jermaine Dye will sign on the free agent market for less than $9.6 million. I could see him back to Oakland in a one-year $6 million deal or a two-year $11 million deal. Dye's second half offense and his defense will scare away most clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Why is Justin Duchsherer highlighted? Do we want an injury prone pitcher really bad for some reason? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 How does Thome not get comp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 After the difficulty alot of type A guys had finding jobs last year, the market may actually be LOW on those types of guys...ie I can't think Type 1 guys like Scutaro, Freddy Sanchez, Tejada, and even an aging Polanco will have a high market this offseason because of the picks associated with signing one of those guys. And seeing as how we have a protected 1st rounder and an extra 3rd rounder for Morgado, if you can bring a Type A (not necessarily just those I mentioned above) for cheap (like the dodgers and angels did with Hudson and Abreu), I'd be all for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 QUOTE (sin city sox fan @ Oct 5, 2009 -> 11:56 PM) No compensation for Colon????? Thats BS....we should at least get a Big Mac or two if he signs with another club. We'll save big money on the post game buffet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 6, 2009 -> 07:23 AM) How does Thome not get comp? That seems crazy, unless it is tied to him being in the NL without a glove, short service with that club, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simba43 Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 QUOTE (Tex @ Oct 6, 2009 -> 09:35 PM) We'll save big money on the post game buffetfunny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 I could really see the Sox trying to bring Big Jim back. I know what Kenny said, but what other left handed run producers out there that fit our budget? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 6, 2009 -> 08:57 AM) I could really see the Sox trying to bring Big Jim back. I know what Kenny said, but what other left handed run producers out there that fit our budget? A few reasons why Already comfy as a DH Looks good in a Sox uniform Over all good leader in clubhouse Might get his ring At a nice price Really could use to keep some power Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 I do not think Thome will be back. I think the Sox want to carry additional flexability and want a guy that can DH and play the field. Possibly carry three catchers, Flowers, AJ and a defensive guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 6, 2009 -> 08:57 AM) I could really see the Sox trying to bring Big Jim back. I know what Kenny said, but what other left handed run producers out there that fit our budget? I hope not. He gets hurt playing the DH spot and that isn't gong to change anytime soon. I hope they get away from aging, one dimensional base cloggers. How they address the DH will be the most interesting move in the off season. I wonder if it will be a spot they do a lot of platooning and come from within. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 6, 2009 -> 06:57 AM) I could really see the Sox trying to bring Big Jim back. I know what Kenny said, but what other left handed run producers out there that fit our budget? Johnson, Abreu, Matsui, to a lesser extent guys like Damon, perhaps Figgins. Personally, given the skill our medical staff tends to show...I really like gambling on Johnson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Q: For arbitration figures, with guys like Abreu and Hudson...does the base salary count, or does their arbitration figure include the $3-4 million in incentives they earned this season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 That's the 2nd time I've seen someone mention carrying 3 catchers? Why?...makes absolutley no sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Apparently Octavio was a percentage point or so away from being Type A? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Oct 6, 2009 -> 12:43 PM) Apparently Octavio was a percentage point or so away from being Type A? It really shouldn't matter, they'd be foolish to offer him arbitration in either scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 QUOTE (Wanne @ Oct 6, 2009 -> 12:33 PM) That's the 2nd time I've seen someone mention carrying 3 catchers? Why?...makes absolutley no sense to me. Some people think that if Flowers spends time at DH, we need a 3rd catcher, because if Flowers has to move to C because AJ is hurt or something, you lose the DH. I personally think the risk is incredibly low, and at worst, you have a few AB's in a season where you'd get hit. Not worth the offset of a roster spot if you ask me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 6, 2009 -> 10:53 AM) Some people think that if Flowers spends time at DH, we need a 3rd catcher, because if Flowers has to move to C because AJ is hurt or something, you lose the DH. I personally think the risk is incredibly low, and at worst, you have a few AB's in a season where you'd get hit. Not worth the offset of a roster spot if you ask me. The fact is though, our manager is not going to use his only backup catcher as a DH. As far as I can tell he hasn't done it in 6 seasons, and the only time he tried his backup catcher at 1b in the spring it exploded in his face and he caught a lot of criticism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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