Dick Allen Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Oct 8, 2009 -> 08:30 PM) He did his job, the game is over and the series tied if Matt Holliday makes a play that would have been easier for a high schooler. But instead, he turned the Cardinals stealing home field advantage into a potential sweep in one fell swoop. That play might not be remembered quite like the Bill Buckner play or Merkle's boner, but it should be. Kind of like Tony G letting a grounder roll through his legs and Iguchi going deep to give a certain team that was dominant most of that year until it sort of limped home until the final week a 2-0 lead in the ALDS. Maybe the Dodgers are the team of destiny this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Go Dodgers, get our buddy Jim his ring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 8, 2009 -> 08:22 PM) Didn't really think there was any chance the Dodgers would take both of the first 2 games against those pitchers. I didn't know about the first two games, but I would have bet the Dodgers in this series. The Cards have been on cruise control for months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted October 9, 2009 Author Share Posted October 9, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 8, 2009 -> 10:31 PM) I didn't know about the first two games, but I would have bet the Dodgers in this series. The Cards have been on cruise control for months. Cardinals hadn't been hitting the past few weeks and is now carrying over in the playoffs and it's killing them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Oct 8, 2009 -> 08:30 PM) He did his job, the game is over and the series tied if Matt Holliday makes a play that would have been easier for a high schooler. But instead, he turned the Cardinals stealing home field advantage into a potential sweep in one fell swoop. That play might not be remembered quite like the Bill Buckner play or Merkle's boner, but it should be. Come on, this game didn't anywhere near the importance of the Bucker game. And nobody remembers Merkle because it was 100 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pants Rowland Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Oct 8, 2009 -> 10:43 PM) Come on, this game didn't anywhere near the importance of the Bucker game. And nobody remembers Merkle because it was 100 years ago. But it was a boner, and everyone likes those, unless they are unattended. Then it gets uncomfortable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Oct 8, 2009 -> 10:43 PM) Come on, this game didn't anywhere near the importance of the Bucker game. And nobody remembers Merkle because it was 100 years ago. Nowhere near as important, obviously you are correct there. But he dropped a popup that most people on this board could have caught, which directly turned what should have been a 1-1 playoff series into a 2-0 series that might be a sweep. How far the Dodgers go will determine how much it's remembered though, I will admit that. And who doesn't remember "Merkle's boner"? Best named play ever. QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 8, 2009 -> 09:04 PM) Kind of like Tony G letting a grounder roll through his legs and Iguchi going deep to give a certain team that was dominant most of that year until it sort of limped home until the final week a 2-0 lead in the ALDS. Maybe the Dodgers are the team of destiny this year. I hope they are, for Thome's sake. Edited October 9, 2009 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Oct 8, 2009 -> 11:22 PM) Nowhere near as important, obviously you are correct there. But he dropped a popup that most people on this board could have caught, which directly turned what should have been a 1-1 playoff series into a 2-0 series that might be a sweep. How far the Dodgers go will determine how much it's remembered though, I will admit that. And who doesn't remember "Merkle's boner"? Best named play ever. I hope they are, for Thome's sake. If I had seen Merkle's boner, I am sure I would never forget it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Oct 8, 2009 -> 11:45 PM) If I had seen Merkle's boner, I am sure I would never forget it. You haven't seen the video? It was quite a gaffe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Oct 8, 2009 -> 10:43 PM) Come on, this game didn't anywhere near the importance of the Bucker game. And nobody remembers Merkle because it was 100 years ago. Yea, the Cards not winning an NLDS game on the road is different than the Red Sox ending their curse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Oct 8, 2009 -> 11:55 PM) Yea, the Cards not winning an NLDS game on the road is different than the Red Sox ending their curse. That play doesn't end the curse since the game was tied, and i'm not saying this play was as relevant. I'm just saying it was probably a worse gaffe since it was an easier play and directly lost Holliday's team a sure playoff win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 (edited) Cardinal fans can show their true colors. They shouldn't bury Holliday since he was a f***ing god this season and helped them win the division. I haven't heard any reports yet. But if their fans are classy they'll just shut up and leave Holliday alone. They still have a chance to win two at home and tie the thing. Granted, it was huge though. Game's ova if he makes the easy play. s*** happens. Interesting quote after the game: “That ball got lost in 50,000 white towels shaking in front of Matt’s face,” Wainwright said. “It doesn’t really seem fair that an opposing team should be able to allow their fans to shake white towels when there’s a white baseball flying through the air. How about Dodger Blue towels?” Edited October 9, 2009 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 9, 2009 -> 12:07 AM) Cardinal fans can show their true colors. They shouldn't bury Holliday since he was a f***ing god this season and helped them win the division. I haven't heard any reports yet. But if their fans are classy they'll just shut up and leave Holliday alone. They still have a chance to win two at home and tie the thing. Granted, it was huge though. Game's ova if he makes the easy play. s*** happens. Interesting quote after the game: “That ball got lost in 50,000 white towels shaking in front of Matt’s face,” Wainwright said. “It doesn’t really seem fair that an opposing team should be able to allow their fans to shake white towels when there’s a white baseball flying through the air. How about Dodger Blue towels?” I went over to http://www.birdsonthebat.org/. LOL. They destroyed Holliday over there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Oct 8, 2009 -> 11:22 PM) Nowhere near as important, obviously you are correct there. But he dropped a popup that most people on this board could have caught, which directly turned what should have been a 1-1 playoff series into a 2-0 series that might be a sweep. How far the Dodgers go will determine how much it's remembered though, I will admit that. And who doesn't remember "Merkle's boner"? Best named play ever. I hope they are, for Thome's sake. Im not saying that he shouldnt have caught the ball, but that wasnt a weak popup to left, that was a line drive that hung in the lights. Popups drop to the ground, not hit you in the stomach As a professional, he should have made the catch, no doubt. This board is not a bunch of professionals, and I think there would be plenty of dropped balls. back to your regularly scheduled hyperbole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 9, 2009 -> 04:32 AM) I went over to http://www.birdsonthebat.org/. LOL. They destroyed Holliday over there. They also refer to their manager (with whom they have reached the playoffs 8 out of 14 seasons, made 6 NLCS, and made 2 World Series and won 1) as LaStupa. And have a "Wishful Thinking 2009--The Tony Larussa Farewell Tour". Sound kind of familiar? It would not surprise me if Holliday gets a large cheer when he is introduced tomorrow. Edited October 9, 2009 by Leonard Zelig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Collectively, Cardinals fans are some of the smartest in baseball. It happens, and hopefully this nets them a nice discount in a re-sign due to unfinished business. The true blame of the games should be placed upon those batting in front of Pujols, who have done nothing of note to get on and allowed the Dodgers to pitch around the Prince. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 8, 2009 -> 08:31 PM) I didn't know about the first two games, but I would have bet the Dodgers in this series. The Cards have been on cruise control for months. The pitching match-ups in the first two games heavily heavily favored the Cardinals. Didn't matter though cause they couldn't score. Dodgers are in a great position, but if the Cards win one, they might swing back to Carpenter/Wainright which would awfully tough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Oct 8, 2009 -> 09:22 PM) Nowhere near as important, obviously you are correct there. But he dropped a popup that most people on this board could have caught, which directly turned what should have been a 1-1 playoff series into a 2-0 series that might be a sweep. How far the Dodgers go will determine how much it's remembered though, I will admit that. And who doesn't remember "Merkle's boner"? Best named play ever. I hope they are, for Thome's sake. You've never played baseball, have you. A low liner in the lights with all of that s*** is droppable. I guarantee there are a s***load of posters here that wouldn't make that catch. A big leaguer makes that play 95-97% of the time but it wasn't complete cake. Should have been made and it wasn't a difficult play, but it wasn't super easy too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 9, 2009 -> 04:47 AM) Im not saying that he shouldnt have caught the ball, but that wasnt a weak popup to left, that was a line drive that hung in the lights. Popups drop to the ground, not hit you in the stomach As a professional, he should have made the catch, no doubt. This board is not a bunch of professionals, and I think there would be plenty of dropped balls. back to your regularly scheduled hyperbole Figures the two softball players would point this out. There are a lot of low liners out to the outfield and they are catchable but routinely dropped at the same time because of the difficulty and where the ball is coming in versus your eye line plus lights. Add the white towels and 50,000 screaming fans and it get that much harder for an amateur. Holliday made a bad play but s*** happens and he shouldn't be villified for the error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Oct 9, 2009 -> 11:03 AM) Figures the two softball players would point this out. There are a lot of low liners out to the outfield and they are catchable but routinely dropped at the same time because of the difficulty and where the ball is coming in versus your eye line plus lights. Add the white towels and 50,000 screaming fans and it get that much harder for an amateur. Holliday made a bad play but s*** happens and he shouldn't be villified for the error. damn jas, gotta out me like that? Edited October 9, 2009 by KyYlE23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Catching line drives is the toughest thing to do when it comes to fielding a baseball, especially when it catches you in-between like that. He never gauged the speed of the ball at all; he couldn't find it initially, and when he did, he came barrelling in like a freight train, and saw the ball was hit harder than it actually was, which is why it hit him in the stomach. If he picked that ball up off the bat right away he would have caught the ball around the letters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted October 10, 2009 Author Share Posted October 10, 2009 (edited) Certain Cub fans are publicly embarassing themselves, David Kaplan , because they seem to think missing the playoffs totally is better than making the playoffs and getting swept. http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/david-kapl...dinal-fans.html Go Cards. I think if St. Louis wins today, they win the series. Carpenter never has two bad starts in a row, not that Game 1 was really BAD, but just unlike him. Edited October 10, 2009 by Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 10, 2009 Share Posted October 10, 2009 QUOTE (Brian @ Oct 10, 2009 -> 11:00 AM) Certain Cub fans are publicly embarassing themselves, David Kaplan , because they seem to think missing the playoffs totally is better than making the playoffs and getting swept. http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/david-kapl...dinal-fans.html Go Cards. I think if St. Louis wins today, they win the series. Carpenter never has two bad starts in a row, not that Game 1 was really BAD, but just unlike him. NO KIDDING. How can he possibly think that this statement makes sense is beyond me: I find great irony that Cardinal fans, the same fans that buy Cubs jerseys with Bartman on the back today wake up to the reality that your team is in huge trouble. You have trotted out two Cy Young candidates in Games 1+2 and you lost both games. Then I look at the headline in today's St. Louis Post-Dispatch and it says "These Cards are playing like Cubs" and that made me laugh hysterically because they are now dealing with the hell that we have lived with as Cubs fans since the day we acknowledged our fandom. The St Louis fans arent living with "the hell we have lived with as Cubs fans" because they won the world series in the past 4 years. They may be pissed that they are down 2-0 when it should be tied at the very least, but this isnt a situation where an old lady is holding a "I havent seen a world series game in my lifetime" sign and every fan is crying and holding each other up after the game is over. What an ignorant article Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted October 10, 2009 Author Share Posted October 10, 2009 I'm not happy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 The Cardinals owe the guy in the audience who wears #56 an apology for today's performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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