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QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Oct 8, 2009 -> 10:11 AM)
Great job parenting. And I would guess a 200th HR ball is worth next to nothing. Can't imagine that an autographed bat from Ryan Howard would be worth any less than that ball.

 

You know that girl has to be spoiled and will never turn out to be nothing but a b**** her whole life.

I wonder what the attorney fees for that baseball are?

 

Imagine if a person didn't demand anything in return.

 

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QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Oct 8, 2009 -> 10:11 AM)
Great job parenting. And I would guess a 200th HR ball is worth next to nothing. Can't imagine that an autographed bat from Ryan Howard would be worth any less than that ball.

 

No way I would have allowed my 12-year old to go unescorted to the locker room. I wonder why the team did it that way. Perhaps they felt it was better to negotiate with a 12-year old instead of an adult?

 

The ball was his 200th and a MLB record for 200 in the fewest at bats. How many bats has he already signed? Seems like they took advantage of a 12-year old.

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QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Oct 8, 2009 -> 10:35 AM)
You know that girl has to be spoiled and will never turn out to be nothing but a b**** her whole life.

I wonder what the attorney fees for that baseball are?

 

Imagine if a person didn't demand anything in return.

 

She's twelve, probably in 7th grade, was taken into the locker room without any of her family and a bunch of adults told her to do something. You call her spoiled, I think they took advantage of her.

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QUOTE (Tex @ Oct 8, 2009 -> 10:46 AM)
She's twelve, probably in 7th grade, was taken into the locker room without any of her family and a bunch of adults told her to do something. You call her spoiled, I think they took advantage of her.

 

I agree and assume that is why the Phil's were quick to acknowledge the mistake and give it back.

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After thinking about this, I'd be more upset about the way it was handled than the actual trade. A home run ball for a signed bat is almost the usual trade, and maybe not that far from fair. But they really should have asked for the parents right away. My guess is that would have ended this right away.

 

And depending on his career, that ball, in twenty years, will probably be worth more than twenty bats he signs.

 

And in a bit of irony, while when it use to be a game, was also when we would have showed restraint before labeling a 12 year old as a spoiled b**** and predicting her life. That seems out of line and unfair.

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It's interesting how we interpret things differently on a snippet that's probably less than 200 words.

Neither side did the right thing for the "good of the game". Plus we are filling in holes to the story.

 

They already determined the other ball would be worth a lot less. Which one would be a more credible sale on Ebay?

 

 

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QUOTE (Tex @ Oct 8, 2009 -> 12:01 PM)
And depending on his career, that ball, in twenty years, will probably be worth more than twenty bats he signs.

 

That's the rub of the whole thing. People treat these as investments. When I was around 6 or 7, Billy Williams signed my glove. I showed it to my friends and used the glove what it was intended for. It wasn't, "I better put this in a vault and try to get all I can for it someday". I thought it was cool Billy Williams took the time to autograph my glove.

 

You find a lot of famous people reluctant to sign autographs these days.

 

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QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Oct 8, 2009 -> 01:13 PM)
It's interesting how we interpret things differently on a snippet that's probably less than 200 words.

Neither side did the right thing for the "good of the game". Plus we are filling in holes to the story.

 

They already determined the other ball would be worth a lot less. Which one would be a more credible sale on Ebay?

 

The snippet said she went in alone. A twelve year old. A seventh grader. It was her and some players. Who do you think made the suggestion for the swap?? Do you really believe having a twelve year old negotiate the swap against a bunch of adults is fair?

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QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Oct 8, 2009 -> 01:13 PM)
It's interesting how we interpret things differently on a snippet that's probably less than 200 words.

Neither side did the right thing for the "good of the game". Plus we are filling in holes to the story.

 

They already determined the other ball would be worth a lot less. Which one would be a more credible sale on Ebay?

 

It is also interesting that you've predicted this twelve year old is a spoiled b**** from those two hundred words. Again, that seems grossly unfair.

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QUOTE (Tex @ Oct 8, 2009 -> 12:01 PM)
And in a bit of irony, while when it use to be a game, was also when we would have showed restraint before labeling a 12 year old as a spoiled b**** and predicting her life. That seems out of line and unfair.

 

You are probably right. I see it as greed on her part. The ball is a part of history and that's why the organization wants it.

 

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QUOTE (Tex @ Oct 8, 2009 -> 01:25 PM)
The snippet said she went in alone. A twelve year old. A seventh grader. It was her and some players. Who do you think made the suggestion for the swap?? Do you really believe having a twelve year old negotiate the swap against a bunch of adults is fair?

 

Yes. They do it with parents and teachers all of the time.

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QUOTE (Tex @ Oct 8, 2009 -> 01:27 PM)
It is also interesting that you've predicted this twelve year old is a spoiled b**** from those two hundred words. Again, that seems grossly unfair.

 

You are correct. Way over the top.

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BTW, read the comments on the article.

 

If Howard wanted the ball then he shouldn't have hit it into the public. Try aiming for the bullpen or something

 

I bet the ball she received is not the real one!!

 

Don't worry, the gov't will tax the potential worth of the ball as income, although she's only 12, the gov't will find a way to get paid, basically forcing anyone to sell it. They did the same thing to the kid who caught the Bonds ball when he tried to keep it.

 

The atty was interviewed on NPR and from what I understood the 12 yr old was there with her brother, also a minor. The spokes person came and escorted them to the back scene and gave her an autographed ball in exchange. She agreed. This atty independently contacted the parents of the girl and suggested to reclaim the ball because of its dollar worth. Like I said this is how I understood the interview. I dont think the girl cared one way or the other.

 

I guess more detail is on www.npr.org.

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the outcome doesn't shock me and I actually support it. The law has a long history of protecting children and others who aren't capable of entering contracts... terrible decision by the Phils to allow that scenario to happen the way it did. I would rather have extreme protections like this that seemingly go over the top to protect people from worse situations.

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