PWSox87 Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 http://www.realgmbaseball.com/src_wiretap_...n_to_white_sox/ What do people think.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHizzle85 Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 No thanks Jim. I love ya & everything, but you can't come back here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 At about half or less of his former salary, I am interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 11, 2009 -> 11:13 AM) At about half or less of his former salary, I am interested. Much less. $2M for the year and you're welcome back, big guy! As LH DH only. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Oct 11, 2009 -> 11:14 AM) Much less. $2M for the year and you're welcome back, big guy! As LH DH only. Might as well see if he will play for us for free while you are at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 (edited) If we can get him under a financially feasible contract, and it doesn't rule out going after Abreu, by all means, come back Big Jim, and retire a White Sox. Edited October 11, 2009 by Thunderbolt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 11, 2009 -> 09:13 AM) At about half or less of his former salary, I am interested. Yeah, I'd welcome Thome back at $6M with an option for a second year. He'd be an excellent "bridge" player, and much cheaper than Abreu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 Would anyone else prefer Kotsay to Thome? Kotsay can actually play a few positions, probably a little more speed, and can put the bat on the ball. Thome is all-or-nothing.....the only thing making me think twice is how low our power would be up and down the lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 I'd say he'll get a one year deal with a base of $4-5 mil + $3 mil in incentives. I would welcome him back at that price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Oct 11, 2009 -> 11:34 AM) Would anyone else prefer Kotsay to Thome? Kotsay can actually play a few positions, probably a little more speed, and can put the bat on the ball. Thome is all-or-nothing.....the only thing making me think twice is how low our power would be up and down the lineup. Prefer him over thome for what role? Dh, being on the team, batting fourth? Which is it? Because the answer would be no to all three. Kotsay has value, do not get me wrong. Kotsay could very well end up being a fantastic asset to the sox if utilized correctly. Realistically both could come back here, as neither would take playing time away from the other, and both can be had relatively cheap. Edited October 11, 2009 by qwerty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
son of a rude Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 Just sign Nick Johnson if you are willing to give Thome 4-6 mil... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 No thank you. We need to start heading in a different direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 Thome's offensive value has dropped precipitously over the last 3 years. If it continues into next season, I don't know if he'll even provide surplus value with a $5M contract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 QUOTE (3E8 @ Oct 11, 2009 -> 10:13 AM) Thome's offensive value has dropped precipitously over the last 3 years. If it continues into next season, I don't know if he'll even provide surplus value with a $5M contract Thome put up an .847 OPS this year. Even if that drops to .810 next year, he'll still be a good value at $5M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 You can't just take an OPS out of thin air and use it to determine how much a player will be worth. The ratio of OBP to SLG can make a big difference in calculating value (a point of OBP is better than a point of slugging.) And Thome's plate discipline has gotten progressively worse in his White Sox tenure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Oct 11, 2009 -> 12:34 PM) Would anyone else prefer Kotsay to Thome? Kotsay can actually play a few positions, probably a little more speed, and can put the bat on the ball. Thome is all-or-nothing.....the only thing making me think twice is how low our power would be up and down the lineup. Kotsay as an everyday player? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 QUOTE (3E8 @ Oct 11, 2009 -> 10:33 AM) You can't just take an OPS out of thin air and use it to determine how much a player will be worth. The ratio of OBP to SLG can make a big difference in calculating value (a point of OBP is better than a point of slugging.) And Thome's plate discipline has gotten progressively worse in his White Sox tenure Give us a better realistic option (i.e., not Figgins, Abreu, or Bay) to replace Thome/Dye next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 QUOTE (WCSox @ Oct 11, 2009 -> 01:40 PM) Give us a better realistic option (i.e., not Figgins, Abreu, or Bay) to replace Thome/Dye next year. I'd take Thome too, but I don't really find Abreu to be altogether unrealistic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 I'm not seeing how we sign Abreu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Oct 11, 2009 -> 10:41 AM) I'd take Thome too, but I don't really find Abreu to be altogether unrealistic He's a lot less realistic than Thome, given that he's very happy in Anaheim (and the feeling is mutual), more teams will be interested in him, and he'll command more money and years. I would absolutely take Abreu over Thome. But it's going to be a lot easier to get JT to come back to an organization that he already likes and a city where his family is already set up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChrisSamsa Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 QUOTE (WCSox @ Oct 11, 2009 -> 11:31 AM) Yeah, I'd welcome Thome back at $6M with an option for a second year. He'd be an excellent "bridge" player, and much cheaper than Abreu. $6M is a little steep, but I agree with using him as a "bridge" and in a lesser role than as the everyday DH. More of a rotating DH slot would be good for the team. QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Oct 11, 2009 -> 11:34 AM) Would anyone else prefer Kotsay to Thome? Kotsay can actually play a few positions, probably a little more speed, and can put the bat on the ball. Thome is all-or-nothing.....the only thing making me think twice is how low our power would be up and down the lineup. I'll happily take both of them on the team, which is not unrealistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 11, 2009 -> 04:13 PM) At about half or less of his former salary, I am interested. Economy wise and all I think Big Jim would be willing to accept less somewhere around $5M to 6M is my guess. I would love to see him back in a Sox uniform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 QUOTE (PlunketChris @ Oct 11, 2009 -> 10:48 AM) $6M is a little steep, but I agree with using him as a "bridge" and in a lesser role than as the everyday DH. More of a rotating DH slot would be good for the team. I'll happily take both of them on the team, which is not unrealistic. Agreed. I also agree about the "rotating DH" concept. Giving Flowers a day or two a week at DH and a day at C would be a great way to get him a lot of major-league at-bats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 QUOTE (WCSox @ Oct 11, 2009 -> 01:09 PM) Agreed. I also agree about the "rotating DH" concept. Giving Flowers a day or two a week at DH and a day at C would be a great way to get him a lot of major-league at-bats. If Flowers is going to be here then that's the only scenario I'd be in favor of. Having him sit on the bench 4-5 games per week is not going to help him develop. That said, I still hope we shop Flowers heavily over the offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Oct 11, 2009 -> 11:27 AM) That said, I still hope we shop Flowers heavily over the offseason. I'm not sure if I'd want to deal Flowers, but if Kenny could get somebody like Soria in return for a Flowers and a couple more prospects, it might be worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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