Something to consider on the potential trade front.

[SoxAce]

I just realized, even though we've gotten all extra psyched about this Sox-Sox trade...does anyone have a link?

 

Thought I made it pretty clear that it was a "proposed" trade by Olney. Not my fault certain posters here got that twisted.

[Quin]

Thought I made it pretty clear that it was a "proposed" trade by Olney. Not my fault certain posters here got that twisted.

 

Ah, that changes a lot...dang it.

 

Still wouldn't mind it if we pulled it off.

[simba43]

I am curious what anyone/everyone on the board would think would be realistic to propose as a trade to the Pads for Agon? I think he solves our left handed power problems for years to come if we lock him up for an extension.

I know he is from SD and loves it there but he wants to win as much as anyone.

I for one would love for them to make that trade then sign him to a long term extension the way Detroit did with Cabrera .

 

[chisoxfan09]

I for one would love for them to make that trade then sign him to a long term extension the way Detroit did with Cabrera .

 

Yeah but it seems everytime you start a trade proposal with the opposing team's forum they wanna rape and plunder. I mentioned this very idea and they want Gordo right off the bat knowing he is as close to

untouchable in the bigs as it gets. I mention Flowers/Huddie but get laughed at also. Just think he would fit in really well with his offense/defense, OBP, UZR, and HR/RBI all point to very productive years at the Cell.

Edited October 25, 2009 by chisoxfan09

[southsider2k5]

Thought I made it pretty clear that it was a "proposed" trade by Olney. Not my fault certain posters here got that twisted.

 

Besides everything right now is "proposed". No deals can be officially done until after the World Series. In reality, it will be much longer than that.

[GreatScott82]

Besides everything right now is "proposed". No deals can be officially done until after the World Series. In reality, it will be much longer than that.

Yep. Everything usually starts heating up after Turkey Day

[witesoxfan]

Yeah but it seems everytime you start a trade proposal with the opposing team's forum they wanna rape and plunder. I mentioned this very idea and they want Gordo right off the bat knowing he is as close to

untouchable in the bigs as it gets. I mention Flowers/Huddie but get laughed at also. Just think he would fit in really well with his offense/defense, OBP, UZR, and HR/RBI all point to very productive years at the Cell.

 

yeah of course they are going to ask for Beckham, the Padres almost certainly wouldn't even think of moving Gonzalez without Beckham being involved

[simba43]

Yeah but it seems everytime you start a trade proposal with the opposing team's forum they wanna rape and plunder. I mentioned this very idea and they want Gordo right off the bat knowing he is as close to

untouchable in the bigs as it gets. I mention Flowers/Huddie but get laughed at also. Just think he would fit in really well with his offense/defense, OBP, UZR, and HR/RBI all point to very productive years at the Cell.

yeah but it does not matter if the other team fans like the idea . i mean Flowers and Hudson AND A FEW MORE GOOD PROSPECTS should get a deal done i know the padres want a catcher and are interested in flowers as he was part of the deal they wanted with Atlanta to get Peavy last year but Atlanta wouldn't put him in the deal . anyway i hope KW at leasts tries to make a deal for ADRIAN .

[witesoxfan]

yeah but it does not matter if the other team fans like the idea . i mean Flowers and Hudson AND A FEW MORE GOOD PROSPECTS should get a deal done i know the padres want a catcher and are interested in flowers as he was part of the deal they wanted with Atlanta to get Peavy last year but Atlanta wouldn't put him in the deal . anyway i hope KW at leasts tries to make a deal for ADRIAN .

 

Atlanta wouldn't deal Tommy Hanson. There's no reason they'd deal Tyler Flowers for Javier Vazquez but not Jake Peavy.

[chisoxfan09]

Not sure if this has been brought up in previous offseason/trade threads but I picked a quick blurb on MLBTR and he had Adam Dunn as a potential power lefty trade candidate. Now his career numbers pretty much match those of Thome at a younger age so I am posting them, pretty similar. Very high K//BB rate but also a ton of power and high OBP. He is owed 12 million for 2010. Anyone think he would make a decent one year rental to look at on the trade front? Career OBP = .383 and SLG = .520 but his K average is about 160 per season and BB is 100. Not terrible but certainly not Pujols. Ad about 34 HR/100 RBI per season. He is more DH material. OK flame away.

 

Career numbers:

 

SEASON▲ TEAM▲ G▼ AB▼ R▼ H▼ TB▼ 2B▼ 3B▼ HR▼ RBI▼ BB▼ IBB▼ SO▼ SB▼ CS▼ AVG▼ OBP▼ SLG▼ OPS▼ GO/AO▼

2001 CIN 66 244 54 64 141 18 1 19 43 38 2 74 4 2 .262 .371 .578 .948 0.78 113

2002 CIN 158 535 84 133 243 28 2 26 71 128 13 170 19 9 .249 .400 .454 .854 0.86 113

2003 CIN 116 381 70 82 177 12 1 27 57 74 8 126 8 2 .215 .354 .465 .819 0.59 113

2004 CIN 161 568 105 151 323 34 0 46 102 108 11 195 6 1 .266 .388 .569 .956 0.70 113

2005 CIN 160 543 107 134 293 35 2 40 101 114 14 168 4 2 .247 .387 .540 .927 0.76 113

2006 CIN 160 561 99 131 275 24 0 40 92 112 12 194 7 0 .234 .365 .490 .855 0.62 113

2007 CIN 152 522 101 138 289 27 2 40 106 101 8 165 9 2 .264 .386 .554 .940 0.88 113

2008[+] 158 517 79 122 265 23 0 40 100 122 13 164 2 1 .236 .386 .513 .898 0.76

2009 WSH 159 546 81 146 289 29 0 38 105 116 16 177 0 1 .267 .398 .529 .928 0.77 120

CAREER 1290 4417 780 1101 2295 230 8 316 777 913 97 1433 59 20 .249 .383 .520 .903 0.74

Edited October 29, 2009 by chisoxfan09

[Jordan4life_2007]

Not sure if this has been brought up in previous offseason/trade threads but I picked a quick blurb on MLBTR and he had Adam Dunn as a potential power lefty trade candidate. Now his career numbers pretty much match those of Thome at a younger age so I am posting them, pretty similar. Very high K//BB rate but also a ton of power and high OBP. He is owed 12 million for 2010. Anyone think he would make a decent one year rental to look at on the trade front? Career OBP = .383 and SLG = .520 but his K average is about 160 per season and BB is 100. Not terrible but certainly not Pujols. Ad about 34 HR/100 RBI per season. He is more DH material. OK flame away.

 

Career numbers:

 

SEASON▲ TEAM▲ G▼ AB▼ R▼ H▼ TB▼ 2B▼ 3B▼ HR▼ RBI▼ BB▼ IBB▼ SO▼ SB▼ CS▼ AVG▼ OBP▼ SLG▼ OPS▼ GO/AO▼

2001 CIN 66 244 54 64 141 18 1 19 43 38 2 74 4 2 .262 .371 .578 .948 0.78 113

2002 CIN 158 535 84 133 243 28 2 26 71 128 13 170 19 9 .249 .400 .454 .854 0.86 113

2003 CIN 116 381 70 82 177 12 1 27 57 74 8 126 8 2 .215 .354 .465 .819 0.59 113

2004 CIN 161 568 105 151 323 34 0 46 102 108 11 195 6 1 .266 .388 .569 .956 0.70 113

2005 CIN 160 543 107 134 293 35 2 40 101 114 14 168 4 2 .247 .387 .540 .927 0.76 113

2006 CIN 160 561 99 131 275 24 0 40 92 112 12 194 7 0 .234 .365 .490 .855 0.62 113

2007 CIN 152 522 101 138 289 27 2 40 106 101 8 165 9 2 .264 .386 .554 .940 0.88 113

2008[+] 158 517 79 122 265 23 0 40 100 122 13 164 2 1 .236 .386 .513 .898 0.76

2009 WSH 159 546 81 146 289 29 0 38 105 116 16 177 0 1 .267 .398 .529 .928 0.77 120

CAREER 1290 4417 780 1101 2295 230 8 316 777 913 97 1433 59 20 .249 .383 .520 .903 0.74

 

Dunn would be as ideal as ideal gets. What do we have that Washington would want? And could we afford him? Those are the key questions.

[witesoxfan]

I think the bigger question in regards to dealing for Dunn involve what the Sox long-term plans would be with him. If you are only going to trade for his services for one year and then let him walk, you may as well just sign Thome on a 1-year stopgap and figure out what is available beyond that point. There is definitely a downgrade between the two, but it is not huge and Thome doesn't cost players and will cost less money.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

I don't think the Sox will concentrate at all on acquiring a DH. Defense should be a key factor in any acquisition followed by salary . I see the Sox rotating the DH position among whoever fills out the 25 man roster.

[chisoxfan09]

I don't think the Sox will concentrate at all on acquiring a DH. Defense should be a key factor in any acquisition followed by salary . I see the Sox rotating the DH position among whoever fills out the 25 man roster.

 

Very good point dude, I missed the boat completely on this. We were just outright terrible on D last year. It was just a thought.

Edited October 29, 2009 by chisoxfan09

[frankiethefixer]

I would try to put together a package for Joey Votto. It made no sense when the Reds passed over Beckham to draft Yonder Alonso. Votto and Alonso are very similar players and i can't see either playing the outfield. The Reds have a monster hole at shortstop with no starter in the majors and no prospects either. I would offer them a package of Alexei, Hudson and a 2nd tier prospect.

[witesoxfan]

I don't think the Sox will concentrate at all on acquiring a DH. Defense should be a key factor in any acquisition followed by salary . I see the Sox rotating the DH position among whoever fills out the 25 man roster.

 

I've honestly never seen the benefit of that unless a team had a good enough bench that they were able to rotate guys in an out. I doubt that is the Sox bench this year.

 

Having the DH actually be able to play a bit of defense, yes, I can see that, but if my choice is a guy that puts up an .800 OPS that can play a reasonable amount of defense at 1B, LF, and RF or a guy that can put up an .850 OPS and can't play a lick of defense, I'm taking the .850 every time.

[Kalapse]

I would try to put together a package for Joey Votto. It made no sense when the Reds passed over Beckham to draft Yonder Alonso. Votto and Alonso are very similar players and i can't see either playing the outfield. The Reds have a monster hole at shortstop with no starter in the majors and no prospects either. I would offer them a package of Alexei, Hudson and a 2nd tier prospect.

Joey Votto is 26 years old, under team control for 4 more seasons and had the 4th highest wOBA in baseball this season. 1.) Depression issues and Alonso aside he's going nowhere and 2.) you undervalue him greatly, the consensus is that the Sox don't have the bullets to pull of a deal for Prince, right now Votto's trade value would be exponentially higher than even that of Fielder. You're better off fawning over Adrian Gonzalez, at least you know he'll be dealt within the next 400 days or so.

[chisoxfan09]

I've honestly never seen the benefit of that unless a team had a good enough bench that they were able to rotate guys in an out. I doubt that is the Sox bench this year.

 

Having the DH actually be able to play a bit of defense, yes, I can see that, but if my choice is a guy that puts up an .800 OPS that can play a reasonable amount of defense at 1B, LF, and RF or a guy that can put up an .850 OPS and can't play a lick of defense, I'm taking the .850 every time.

 

Dunn's career OPS is .903 which is a bit above your desired range. Thoughts?

[witesoxfan]

Dunn's career OPS is .903 which is a bit above your desired range. Thoughts?

 

He is going to cost the Sox prospects. He is signed for one more year. He is going to make like $10-12 mill next year, which eats up any remaining resource the White Sox have to sign free agents. I'm going to pass on those alone, though may revisit come the winter of 2010.

[iamshack]

Joey Votto is 26 years old, under team control for 4 more seasons and had the 4th highest wOBA in baseball this season. 1.) Depression issues and Alonso aside he's going nowhere and 2.) you undervalue him greatly, the consensus is that the Sox don't have the bullets to pull of a deal for Prince, right now Votto's trade value would be exponentially higher than even that of Fielder. You're better off fawning over Adrian Gonzalez, at least you know he'll be dealt within the next 400 days or so.

 

Wow, I have not been watching Joey Votto. I had absolutely no idea he put up numbers like this this season.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

I've honestly never seen the benefit of that unless a team had a good enough bench that they were able to rotate guys in an out. I doubt that is the Sox bench this year.

 

Having the DH actually be able to play a bit of defense, yes, I can see that, but if my choice is a guy that puts up an .800 OPS that can play a reasonable amount of defense at 1B, LF, and RF or a guy that can put up an .850 OPS and can't play a lick of defense, I'm taking the .850 every time.

The benefit is regulars need rest especially older ones in the greenie -free MLB. Say against righties maybe DH Kornerko and put Kotsay at 1st. Just rotate things depending on matchups. I only suggest this based on my idea of improving the D and something somewhere will suffer . The Sox won't fix every hole in the off season so I choose DH as the last priority but I know many want a slugger . I'm just trying stay reasonable on payroll. Thinking of Fielder or Dunn is like dreaming the impossible dream.

Edited October 30, 2009 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[Chisoxfn]

The benefit is regulars need rest especially older ones in the greenie -free MLB. Say against righties maybe DH Kornerko and put Kotsay at 1st. Just rotate things depending on matchups. I only suggest this based on my idea of improving the D and something somewhere will suffer . The Sox won't fix every hole in the off season so I choose DH as the last priority but I know many want a slugger . I'm just trying stay reasonable on payroll. Thinking of Fielder or Dunn is like dreaming the impossible dream.

It also allows you to be more flexible in the case that one of your guys goes down with injury because you don't necessarily have to worry about fixing that exact hole, you have extra flexibility with the DH who can become the starter and than try to find a bat that can stick or play the match-ups a lot more.