iamshack Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Oct 22, 2009 -> 09:21 PM) I disagree with that premise as well. You can't pick and choose what you want out of the Bible and make a hill to die on, so to speak. It is equal to the sum of its parts. You can't take what Paul said in Acts forward in the Bible only nor can you take what the book of James in sole disgression. Now you enter Catholicism, Protestant, religion in general and at the end of the day, none of them have it perfect because religion is as imperfect as a human is. You just have to do the best you can. The Bible as we know it doesn't even say what it was originally meant to say. The translations were butchered to the point that many of the messages have been completely distorted. Taken literally, or picking and choosing, we've lost much of the meaning the writings were meant to convey in the first place. As for the other discussions taking place in this thread regarding the true motive behind the Vaticans welcoming Anglicans into the Catholic Church, isn't this a clear sign of where relgion has failed us, yet again, in the first place? That this is what things have come to? Political motivations, power plays, attempts to bring in more money? This isn't what faith and religion were ever meant to be about, and yet now, it is all it is about. I don't understand how anyone can put up with the Catholic Church, or any of organized religion for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted October 23, 2009 Author Share Posted October 23, 2009 QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Oct 22, 2009 -> 05:40 PM) Many Christian faiths do, in fact, allow for that. Catholicism, for example, offers you the chance to confess and atone for your sins - literally giving you a clean slate. Others state that you can atone for your sins by accepting God into your heart. That's all too hard. What ever happened to buying your way into heaven with good old-fashioned indulgences? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasox24 Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Oct 22, 2009 -> 10:18 PM) That's all too hard. What ever happened to buying your way into heaven with good old-fashioned indulgences? Makes it easy, doesn't it? Edited October 23, 2009 by dasox24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 22, 2009 -> 11:03 PM) The Bible as we know it doesn't even say what it was originally meant to say. The translations were butchered to the point that many of the messages have been completely distorted. Taken literally, or picking and choosing, we've lost much of the meaning the writings were meant to convey in the first place. As for the other discussions taking place in this thread regarding the true motive behind the Vaticans welcoming Anglicans into the Catholic Church, isn't this a clear sign of where relgion has failed us, yet again, in the first place? That this is what things have come to? Political motivations, power plays, attempts to bring in more money? This isn't what faith and religion were ever meant to be about, and yet now, it is all it is about. I don't understand how anyone can put up with the Catholic Church, or any of organized religion for that matter. Agree, re: translations. Religion is always about political motivations, power plays, and attempts at more money/people (i.e. power) - humans at its core are one big mistake and that's what religion is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 23, 2009 -> 12:03 AM) As for the other discussions taking place in this thread regarding the true motive behind the Vaticans welcoming Anglicans into the Catholic Church, isn't this a clear sign of where relgion has failed us, yet again, in the first place? That this is what things have come to? Political motivations, power plays, attempts to bring in more money? This isn't what faith and religion were ever meant to be about, and yet now, it is all it is about. I don't understand how anyone can put up with the Catholic Church, or any of organized religion for that matter. It's pretty simple. Having a community of faith can be a very positive force in one's life. Faith was never about politics and money, but religion always has been. The Christianity of today would be unrecognizable to the Christianity of the second and third century. The way their faith was practiced, they would probably be aghast at the idea of using a cross as a symbol, as that was seen as militaristic at the time. I think it is honorable and noble to seek out a personal spiritual journey. For some people, a community of faith isn't necessary. But for many, it's vital to give that person a sense of belonging and fulfillment that they can't get elsewhere. If we could all do it on our own, you'd see a lot more hermits and monks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Oct 23, 2009 -> 12:18 AM) That's all too hard. What ever happened to buying your way into heaven with good old-fashioned indulgences? Well, here's an interesting question. If you take out a loan to buy your indulgences - and then you default on your loan, are you back to square one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted October 24, 2009 Author Share Posted October 24, 2009 QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Oct 23, 2009 -> 10:07 AM) Well, here's an interesting question. If you take out a loan to buy your indulgences - and then you default on your loan, are you back to square one? Actually, in reading the fine print, it turns out your first-born child soul will be garnished and held in escrow (or Limbo) until someone pays the (Peter) Piper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Oct 23, 2009 -> 10:59 PM) Actually, in reading the fine print, it turns out your first-born child soul will be garnished and held in escrow (or Limbo) until someone pays the (Peter) Piper. Unless you're Jewish, and then your soul is put into a high-interest mutual fund run by your mother's friend's son that she wishes was a doctor or lawyer, but this career will do in the meantime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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