southsider2k5 Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/p...ther-award.aspx Aaron Hill of the Toronto Blue Jays is the best defensive second baseman in baseball. At least, that is the case if you believe “The Fielding Bible Awards” that will be listed in The Bill James Handbook 2010. A panel of 10 voters actually rated Hill and Boston second baseman Dustin Pedroia in a tie at their position, but Hill’s four first-place votes gave him the edge over his Red Sox counterpart, who sat atop just one voter’s ballot. The voters included James, ESPN.com baseball writers Peter Gammons and Rob Neyer and SI.com columnist Joe Posnanski. Hill actually repeated as the top second baseman. In total, six of the nine honourees were previous winners in the voting that have been handed out each of the past four seasons. St. Louis first baseman Albert Pujols won for the fourth time while Tampa Bay Rays left-fielder Carl Crawford won for a third straight year while receiving 99 out of a possible 100 points. Cardinals catcher Yadier Molina, Seattle outfielders Ichiro Suzuki and Franklin Gutierrez were other repeat winners, though Gutierrez took the honour for centre-field after previously winning for his work in right. Seattle shortstop Jack Wilson, Washington third baseman Ryan Zimmerman and pitcher Mark Buehrle of the Chicago White Sox were the first-time winners. Read more: http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/p...x#ixzz0VSbcCJIM The New Financial Post Stock Market Challenge starts in October. You could WIN your share of $60,000 in prizing. Register NOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 So do these guys just go off of UZR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 30, 2009 -> 06:50 PM) So do these guys just go off of UZR? For one; the Fielding Bible is written by John Dewan, the man who developed the plus/minus system believed by many to be on equal grounds as UZR, just not as widely available, so right out the bat - no. The fielding bible awards are determined by a panel of 10 experts chosen by John Dewan using a 10 point scale (100 points possible). They use whatever criteria they see fit to determine the finest defenders at each position and given the wide range of baseball ideology at play here (Gammons and James are basically polar opposites) you're going to have very different determining factors within the panel. It's a fantastic resource that basically came about because the Gold Glove sucks and Dewan felt something needed to be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Oct 30, 2009 -> 06:37 PM) For one; the Fielding Bible is written by John Dewan, the man who developed the plus/minus system believed by many to be on equal grounds as UZR, just not as widely available, so right out the bat - no. The fielding bible awards are determined by a panel of 10 experts chosen by John Dewan using a 10 point scale (100 points possible). They use whatever criteria they see fit to determine the finest defenders at each position and given the wide range of baseball ideology at play here (Gammons and James are basically polar opposites) you're going to have very different determining factors within the panel. It's a fantastic resource that basically came about because the Gold Glove sucks and Dewan felt something needed to be done. Thank you, sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 About time. Mark's always been a great fielder and it's nice to see him win an actual award that's actually objective... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Oct 30, 2009 -> 07:37 PM) For one; the Fielding Bible is written by John Dewan, the man who developed the plus/minus system believed by many to be on equal grounds as UZR, just not as widely available, so right out the bat - no. The fielding bible awards are determined by a panel of 10 experts chosen by John Dewan using a 10 point scale (100 points possible). They use whatever criteria they see fit to determine the finest defenders at each position and given the wide range of baseball ideology at play here (Gammons and James are basically polar opposites) you're going to have very different determining factors within the panel. It's a fantastic resource that basically came about because the Gold Glove sucks and Dewan felt something needed to be done. if torii hunter is still playing at the age of 40,hed probly still win it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Mark's a pretty good fielder and has one of the best pick off moves in baseball so I think he deserved this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 why did they lead with Aaron Hill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 That's good to hear. Congrats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 QUOTE (chw42 @ Oct 31, 2009 -> 11:27 AM) About time. Mark's always been a great fielder and it's nice to see him win an actual award that's actually objective... He finished 4th in 2007, Bill James and Rob Neyer had him as the 2nd best defensive pitcher in the game (James voted Garland #1 and Neyer went with Santana who ended up winning the award). He also finished 3rd in '06 behind Kenny Rogers and Greg Maddux. One of the main reasons Dewan started the Fielding Bible awards was because of the historical significance of a top 10 list, years from now you'll be able to get a good grasp on a player's defensive ability by turning to the number of times he showed up in the top 10. You don't get this with the GG awards since only the winner is made public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Buehrle dominated the voting Where the Panel Ranked Him: Bill James: - (Greinke #1) BIS Video Scouts: 1 Hal Richman: 4 (Santana #1) Joe Posnanski: 1 John Dewan: 1 Mat Olkin: 1 Peter Gammons: 2 (Greinke #1) Rob Neyer: 1 Tango Fan Poll: 1 Todd Radcliffe: 1 Total Points: 86 - Buehrle 61 - Greinke 51 - Santana 50 - Pineiro 39 - Bergesen 37 - Garland 36 - Cook 30 - Marquis 30 - Duke 16 - Oswalt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 31, 2009 Author Share Posted October 31, 2009 QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 31, 2009 -> 01:06 PM) why did they lead with Aaron Hill? Look at the source, it is a Canadian publication. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 The numbers don't lie. Mark Buehrle is just really above-average at everything he does. He's a great pitcher and an even better guy. Hell of a number #2 starter for the next couple of years too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Nov 2, 2009 -> 10:01 PM) The numbers don't lie. Mark Buehrle is just really above-average at everything he does. He's a great pitcher and an even better guy. Hell of a number #2 starter for the next couple of years too. Get a room!! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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