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Speculation: Johnny Damon to White Sox?


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A look at Damon's numbers this year basically says that New Yankee Stadium helped him get more home runs and doubles...

 

His LD% went down by 6%, resulting in a slightly lower average, his FB% went up by nearly 8% and he had a career high in HR/FB with a 12.6%. It was clear that he realized he only needs to hit some pop ups deep enough to right to get them out.

 

Take him out to the Cell and you won't see the .490 SLG% that he put up this year. But, anyway you put it, he's an upgrade over Pods.

 

Although I don't know if he's going to be worth it for the money we're going to have to dish out for him.

 

Oh yeah, he does suck on defense. In fact, UZR says he sucks a lot more than Pods. He's getting near Jermaine Dye bad.

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Bad speculation. The sox want youth, speed, and defense. Johnny Damon gets a D- in all 3 of those categories.

 

This probably would have been a better way to word it, but yes I'd rather have Pods. Damon can't throw the baseball. Yeah he's a grinder who has had some great at bats in the WS. We need to get more creative. No thanks to Johnny.

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QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 3, 2009 -> 02:42 PM)
This probably would have been a better way to word it, but yes I'd rather have Pods. Damon can't throw the baseball. Yeah he's a grinder who has had some great at bats in the WS. We need to get more creative. No thanks to Johnny.

 

Pods can't throw either. What's your point?

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QUOTE (chw42 @ Nov 3, 2009 -> 02:24 PM)
A look at Damon's numbers this year basically says that New Yankee Stadium helped him get more home runs and doubles...

 

His LD% went down by 6%, resulting in a slightly lower average, his FB% went up by nearly 8% and he had a career high in HR/FB with a 12.6%. It was clear that he realized he only needs to hit some pop ups deep enough to right to get them out.

 

Take him out to the Cell and you won't see the .490 SLG% that he put up this year. But, anyway you put it, he's an upgrade over Pods.

 

Although I don't know if he's going to be worth it for the money we're going to have to dish out for him.

 

Oh yeah, he does suck on defense. In fact, UZR says he sucks a lot more than Pods. He's getting near Jermaine Dye bad.

 

Didn't Pods actually have a decent year defensively this year by most metrics?

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QUOTE (chisoxpride2 @ Nov 3, 2009 -> 03:08 PM)
williams is going to have to trade to acquire a player of this magnitude. he pissed away 90 mil with mr. .247 aka alex rios and jerry reinsdorf isn't going to let kenny spend any more of his money on aging outfielders with mediocre defense.

 

the 90 million is for peavy, the sox assumed the rest of the money on Rios which is not 90 million(whatever is left of the 7 year 70 million dollar contract when he was traded to the sox).

 

 

I dont understand what you are saying, on one hand you are saying that the sox have to trade for a player of this magnitude, yet you finish the statement by basically saying that the Sox dont need this kind of player(aging OF with mediocre defense).

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QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 3, 2009 -> 03:04 PM)
Didn't Pods actually have a decent year defensively this year by most metrics?

 

Pods is actually decent overall in most metrics. He was actually one of the top LFs back in 05 according to the Fielding Bible. He was a barely below average fielder last year, including center field, which I found quite surprising. But then again, when you watch a guy for 150 games and get to know his tendencies, that's actually more accurate than what metrics do tell you. Metrics state whether or not the player made the out or not, it doesn't tell you how he made the out or how easy or difficult it was for him. For Pods, every out is difficult.

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QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 3, 2009 -> 03:07 PM)
That Pods is cheaper and about the same age and I don't want Damon.

 

Cheaper and worse on offense. With our team possibly lacking a lot of power, especially left handed power for the upcoming year, I don't see why you wouldn't want Damon if he came at a good price (which he probably won't, but hey, who knows?).

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QUOTE (chw42 @ Nov 3, 2009 -> 04:17 PM)
Pods is actually decent overall in most metrics. He was actually one of the top LFs back in 05 according to the Fielding Bible. He was a barely below average fielder last year, including center field, which I found quite surprising. But then again, when you watch a guy for 150 games and get to know his tendencies, that's actually more accurate than what metrics do tell you. Metrics state whether or not the player made the out or not, it doesn't tell you how he made the out or how easy or difficult it was for him. For Pods, every out is difficult.

They all count the same though.

Seems funny to me when proponents of advanced metrics revert to the "eye test" when their data fails to back up their opinion.

 

And this is nothing personal towards you, just in general.

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QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 3, 2009 -> 04:33 PM)
They all count the same though.

Seems funny to me when proponents of advanced metrics revert to the "eye test" when their data fails to back up their opinion.

 

And this is nothing personal towards you, just in general.

 

That's because metrics aren't perfect. Nobody really claims that they are the truth all the time. I will say that they are true most of the time, but there are definitely exceptions. Pods might be one of them. Here or there, you might see a guy you don't think of as good end up having really good defensive numbers.

 

Sabermetrics are more useful when evaluating players of another team. Mostly because you don't see those players very often. When you see the same guy 150 times a year, you get to know him a lot better than what the stats can tell you. Of course, your eyes can still lie and you can have some weird man crush towards some certain player that can make you extremely biased. One of the most important parts of Sabermetrics is trying to remove the subjectivity of player evaluation. Just because Carlos Gomez always kicks our ass doesn't make him a good player. Just because Hawk loves Gomez doesn't make him Ricky Henderson.

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Is Damon a free agent? Have we ever signed a Boras guy?

Johnny is old. I wouldn't be mad if we acquired him, but I don't see the point in this discussion. One thing is for sure. Damon has one of the worst arms in baseball history for an everyday player.

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QUOTE (chw42 @ Nov 3, 2009 -> 05:02 PM)
That's because metrics aren't perfect. Nobody really claims that they are the truth all the time. I will say that they are true most of the time, but there are definitely exceptions. Pods might be one of them. Here or there, you might see a guy you don't think of as good end up having really good defensive numbers.

 

Sabermetrics are more useful when evaluating players of another team. Mostly because you don't see those players very often. When you see the same guy 150 times a year, you get to know him a lot better than what the stats can tell you. Of course, your eyes can still lie and you can have some weird man crush towards some certain player that can make you extremely biased. One of the most important parts of Sabermetrics is trying to remove the subjectivity of player evaluation. Just because Carlos Gomez always kicks our ass doesn't make him a good player. Just because Hawk loves Gomez doesn't make him Ricky Henderson.

 

No, I understand that.

I've just had a continuing issue with the irrational and intense dislike brought on Scottie here, mostly by proponents of advanced metrics.

 

And even when the guy improves using the very criteria those people used to label him as a bad defender, they dismiss that criteria and revert to the old criteria they said was so inadequate in the first place - the eye test.

 

Personally, I thought Podsednik had a decent year in the field. He'll never be Brian Anderson or Ryan Sweeney defensively, but he appeared to have an average, even slightly above average year defensively to my eye.

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