Elections of 11/3/09

[NorthSideSox72]

I was busy with a sick kid, so I am only getting updated this morning, but there were a few important elections last night...

 

--NJ and VA elected R governors, giving the GOP some new hope

--Dems win typically heavily GOP Congress district in NY

--Maine voted to repeal gay marriage law

 

Did I miss anything?

 

[lostfan]

I think the media is reading way too much into this. Local elections aren't the same as national electiosn.

[Soxy]

Lame Maine, very lame.

[southsider2k5]

I think the media is reading way too much into this. Local elections aren't the same as national electiosn.

 

Its the same coverage that happens every cycle. When the President starts making tons of appearances on behalf of someone, and it doesn't payoff, people are going to ask if it is an indictment of the relative popularity of the President. Wait until 2010.

[lostfan]

Its the same coverage that happens every cycle. When the President starts making tons of appearances on behalf of someone, and it doesn't payoff, people are going to ask if it is an indictment of the relative popularity of the President. Wait until 2010.

Federal midterms are a different story though. Undoubtedly the Dems will lose seats (not necessarily the majority), that's pretty common.

Edited November 4, 2009 by lostfan

[Soxy]

Federal midterms are a different story though. Undoubtedly the Dems will lose seats (not necessarily the majority), that's pretty common.

Regression to the mean b****es!

[southsider2k5]

Lame Maine, very lame.

 

I think this is an excellent example of why our founding fathers put in the constitution certain protections against everything being decided on the basis of 50% +1. It doesn't always work the best.

[Rex Kickass]

I think this is an excellent example of why our founding fathers put in the constitution certain protections against everything being decided on the basis of 50% +1. It doesn't always work the best.

 

I am a very angry gay today. At least it looks like we won "almost marriage" in Washington state. It's nice to know I'm almost equal somewhere.

[southsider2k5]

I am a very angry gay today. At least it looks like we won "almost marriage" in Washington state. It's nice to know I'm almost equal somewhere.

 

I don't blame you. It is reason number one why the government shouldn't be involved in people's personal lives if it can at all be helped. They end up putting themselves into situations that they are forced to make decisions about the value of one group or ideal over another. The government's only worry in marriage should be enforcing the contract law part of the partnerships. After that, it should be up to the individuals to decide who they are and what they want.

[lostfan]

I don't blame you. It is reason number one why the government shouldn't be involved in people's personal lives if it can at all be helped. They end up putting themselves into situations that they are forced to make decisions about the value of one group or ideal over another. The government's only worry in marriage should be enforcing the contract law part of the partnerships. After that, it should be up to the individuals to decide who they are and what they want.

Agree 100%

[Rex Kickass]

I think the media is reading way too much into this. Local elections aren't the same as national electiosn.

 

Given that the DNC, organized labor and every national power base that the Dems had moved their Virginia races to New Jersey - what happened in VA is not surprising.

 

In New Jersey, it had nothing to do with Obama. Hell, it had nothing to do with Christie either. Or negative campaigns, or anything anyone is saying on the TV. Dems didn't turn out like they should have. New Jersey has a ton of problems at the state level. And essentially any governor that tries to fix their issues with anything other than magic beans will have the same problem when it comes to reelection. The reason Corzine lost is because he did what's necessary to fix New Jersey's massive systemic budget issues. And I'm more and more convinced in this state, voters don't want these problems fixed, they just want people to say they will fix them.

[Rex Kickass]

I don't blame you. It is reason number one why the government shouldn't be involved in people's personal lives if it can at all be helped. They end up putting themselves into situations that they are forced to make decisions about the value of one group or ideal over another. The government's only worry in marriage should be enforcing the contract law part of the partnerships. After that, it should be up to the individuals to decide who they are and what they want.

 

You know what though, our community deserves as much of the blame as anyone else. We don't get support for our issues from a broad base of the community because we don't stand with other communities for their needs. It's just as shameful as religions funneling money into misleading campaigns to deny millions of Americans equal protection under the law.

[southsider2k5]

You know what though, our community deserves as much of the blame as anyone else. We don't get support for our issues from a broad base of the community because we don't stand with other communities for their needs. It's just as shameful as religions funneling money into misleading campaigns to deny millions of Americans equal protection under the law.

 

You mean like organizing the gay community against say autism or something? I am not sure if I understand the first part.

[NorthSideSox72]

I think this is an excellent example of why our founding fathers put in the constitution certain protections against everything being decided on the basis of 50% +1. It doesn't always work the best.

Yes. Specifically, issues of civil rights should not be subject to simple majority rule, since by nature, civil rights are there to protect the minority in one way or another.

 

[Rex Kickass]

You mean like organizing the gay community against say autism or something? I am not sure if I understand the first part.

Sort of. You don't see mainstream gay organizations acting on behalf or in support of issues that affect other minority communities. Like issues of homelessness, and poverty, prisoner reentry, etc. Issues that really do matter for the larger community, and that have a large effect on our community too. The gay community, as a whole, isn't interested in getting its hands dirty in any issue that isn't exclusively theirs. And frankly, for too many of them, if it isn't a cocktail party lobbying effort (Read: Human Rights Campaign), it's too much to ask.

[BigSqwert]

Lame Maine, very lame.

 

What she said.

[southsider2k5]

Sort of. You don't see mainstream gay organizations acting on behalf or in support of issues that affect other minority communities. Like issues of homelessness, and poverty, prisoner reentry, etc. Issues that really do matter for the larger community, and that have a large effect on our community too. The gay community, as a whole, isn't interested in getting its hands dirty in any issue that isn't exclusively theirs. And frankly, for too many of them, if it isn't a cocktail party lobbying effort (Read: Human Rights Campaign), it's too much to ask.

 

Make sense.

[lostfan]

Sort of. You don't see mainstream gay organizations acting on behalf or in support of issues that affect other minority communities. Like issues of homelessness, and poverty, prisoner reentry, etc. Issues that really do matter for the larger community, and that have a large effect on our community too. The gay community, as a whole, isn't interested in getting its hands dirty in any issue that isn't exclusively theirs. And frankly, for too many of them, if it isn't a cocktail party lobbying effort (Read: Human Rights Campaign), it's too much to ask.

The black community really has no interest in gays, at all - something I don't understand. As liberal as blacks are as a whole, they are homophobic as hell and it's kinda embarrassing.

[Rex Kickass]

The black community really has no interest in gays, at all - something I don't understand. As liberal as blacks are as a whole, they are homophobic as hell and it's kinda embarrassing.

 

The mirror opposite is true, as well.

[southsider2k5]

The black community really has no interest in gays, at all - something I don't understand. As liberal as blacks are as a whole, they are homophobic as hell and it's kinda embarrassing.

 

I have noticed that is the case with many minority communities. The Hispanic population is that way as well. It strikes me as odd that communities who have historically been discriminated against, would so easily be in favor of discrimination towards others.

[Soxy]

I have noticed that is the case with many minority communities. The Hispanic population is that way as well. It strikes me as odd that communities who have historically been discriminated against, would so easily be in favor of discrimination towards others.

But it makes them not the lowest rung on society's ladder. Having some sort of upward comparison is a strong social motivator.

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