LittleHurt05 Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 QUOTE (Brian @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 09:46 PM) Where have they been the last few years with him? Votto needed a season like this for Cincy to finally get national recognition. Well deserved. If they didn't have him and only had Rolen this year, they wouldn't be in the same position anyway. Either way, I agree on your second point. Votto has been getting better and better every year and is finally starting to get his due, albeit not as much as he deserves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 09:57 PM) If they didn't have him and only had Rolen this year, they wouldn't be in the same position anyway. Either way, I agree on your second point. Votto has been getting better and better every year and is finally starting to get his due, albeit not as much as he deserves. We could go back and forth on it, but probably the main reason they are where they are is guys like Leake and Cueto. Ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 (edited) Votto > Rolen. Although David Wright currently leads all of the NL in WAR at 3.5. Edited July 2, 2010 by chw42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 QUOTE (Brian @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 09:56 PM) Yeah, cuz I was disputing Albert's greatness. Right. There has been times where Albert hasn't homered in 20 days or so and HRs are obviously what makes him special. Some of it is probably credited to the inconsistent Holliday behind him. I would go with Rolen or Votto over him now, because the Reds are in first. That may not last, but I don't think a guy can be an MVP unless his team wins the division or at least makes the playoffs. You say Pujols is up and down like it somehow hurts his case for MVP compared to Rolen who has been far more inconsistent. If you don't think he deserves it because he's not on a first place team then that's fine but a 16 game homer-less streak means next to nothing especially when you're comparing him to Scott Rolen. I hate the implication that one player is more "clutch" than the other like that means anything. You can just throw it out there for any good player in baseball without having to back it up, it's pointless. If you look at "clutch stats" (not saying you should) such as RISP, RISP w/ 2 out, close & late and high leverage situations Votto and Pujols blow Rolen out of the water, WPA swings in Votto's favor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHizzle85 Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 1, 2010 -> 10:39 PM) Votto > Rolen. Although David Wright currently leads all of the NL in WAR at 3.5. That's who currently gets my NL MVP vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 2, 2010 Share Posted July 2, 2010 QUOTE (MHizzle85 @ Jul 2, 2010 -> 12:18 PM) That's who currently gets my NL MVP vote. I think Andre Ethier would be the favorite had he not gotten he gut hurt. He ain't been right since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 Watching Astros-Padres: Oswalt's last out in the fifth was one of the prettiest things I've ever seen. 1) Beautiful curveball 2) Sharp fastball right at the knees 3) Sharp breaking curveball that the guy flails at God bless MLB.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 Dewayne Wise with a 3-run triple today for the Blue Jays! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 3, 2010 -> 02:07 AM) Dewayne Wise with a 3-run triple today for the Blue Jays! Somewhere in Lawrence, Kansas a man ejaculated in his shorts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 3, 2010 -> 08:33 AM) Somewhere in Lawrence, Kansas a man ejaculated in his shorts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 (edited) Anybody see the NL reserves? Three letters: lol No Joey Votto or Andrew McCutchen, but we do have Omar Infante, Evan Meek, and Michael Bourn... Yes, you saw it right, Omar freakin' Infante, who has a .320 wOBA and isn't even a regular starter on his own team. Edited July 4, 2010 by chw42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 What could possibly be the justification for taking Infante? He has 176 f***ing plate appearances. And THIS is why I'm not watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smalls2598 Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jul 4, 2010 -> 11:42 AM) What could possibly be the justification for taking Infante? He has 176 f***ing plate appearances. And THIS is why I'm not watching. I would imagine he made it only due to his versatility. Still, I can't believe he made it over Votto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 No Joey Votto, even though he's been the Reds best player. No Konerko OR Rios? And this decides home field advantage in the World Series?? Bud Selig, please just go into exile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 My sources reveal that Omar Infante has a terminal illness, and making the All-Star Game is being sponsored by Make a Wish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 Wait, Infante really did make the All-Star game? This wasn't a joke? Are you kidding me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 No Carlos Gonzalez either. He's actually been one of the best players in baseball since July 1, 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 (edited) Looks like Votto isn't happy he didn't make it, as he got ejected in the first inning today. That also ruins his streak of consecutive games reaching base. Edited July 4, 2010 by fathom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 QUOTE (smalls2598 @ Jul 4, 2010 -> 11:45 AM) I would imagine he made it only due to his versatility. Still, I can't believe he made it over Votto. Infante's hitting .353/.400/.412/.812 vs the Phillies this season. There's your explanation. It's a 34 player roster, versatility truly has no place in this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jul 4, 2010 -> 01:54 PM) Infante's hitting .353/.400/.412/.812 vs the Phillies this season. There's your explanation. It's a 34 player roster, versatility truly has no place in this game. Sample sizes...man they're a b****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 Dewayne Wise just rips a single off Rivera in the 9th to tie the game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 Cliff Lee's sporting a K/BB ratio of 14.83. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 5, 2010 -> 01:17 AM) Cliff Lee's sporting a K/BB ratio of 14.83. We better pray that the Twins don't get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 5, 2010 -> 07:16 AM) We better pray that the Twins don't get him. As Frank Thomas would say -- no doubt about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 Im cheering on the Mets in the Cliff Lee race. Get him over there and away from the AL and I am a happy camper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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