chw42 Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (WhiteSoxfan1986 @ Jul 25, 2010 -> 01:36 AM) I know it was discussed when the voting results were announced, but I just wanted to take one last chance to say that it's a joke that Andre Dawson is going into the Hall of Fame. Dawson wasn't a great offensive player. His career wOBA is .352. If .352 gets you into the hall of fame, then there should be a lot of people in the Hall. The thing with him is that he was a great fielder. He has a career total zone of +69. That makes his career WAR at 62, which is almost hall worthy if you ask me. To me, the hall of fame cut-off is 75 WAR. Because if you put up an average of 5 WAR for 15 seasons, you are one of the best the game has seen and you deserve to be in the hall. Edited July 25, 2010 by chw42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 Charles Barkley and David Wells are kind of going at it on TBS right now. I thought they were joking with each other first, but I'm not so sure anymore. It's funny though because I can't stand Wells and love Barkley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 Pods hits a HR in Yankee stadium and has 41 RBIs. Still hitting over .300 with a .352 OBP. I still can't stand Pierre even though his defense has been excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 25, 2010 -> 01:02 PM) Dawson wasn't a great offensive player. His career wOBA is .352. If .352 gets you into the hall of fame, then there should be a lot of people in the Hall. The thing with him is that he was a great fielder. He has a career total zone of +69. That makes his career WAR at 62, which is almost hall worthy if you ask me. To me, the hall of fame cut-off is 75 WAR. Because if you put up an average of 5 WAR for 15 seasons, you are one of the best the game has seen and you deserve to be in the hall. Not that I disagree with anything you said, but do you think the voters even know what WAR and wOBA is, let alone use that as a basis, for whether they vote somebody in or not? Sabermetrics have come a LONG way in the last 10 years, but they're not quite yet that mainstream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 25, 2010 -> 02:33 PM) Not that I disagree with anything you said, but do you think the voters even know what WAR and wOBA is, let alone use that as a basis, for whether they vote somebody in or not? Sabermetrics have come a LONG way in the last 10 years, but they're not quite yet that mainstream. And they may never affect hall of fame voting since most of the voters are really old school. But Dawson getting in isn't the worst thing to happen, that's all I was trying to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 There are three players in major league history with 400 HR and 300 SB. Dawson is one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 25, 2010 -> 05:41 PM) There are three players in major league history with 400 HR and 300 SB. Dawson is one of them. Nitpicking stats like that doesn't hide the fact that he wasn't a great hitter. You only do things like these when you try to make a case for some guy who really isn't that good. Edited July 25, 2010 by chw42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 Nitpicking? The man was a 500 HR lock before his knees killed his career. The Astroturf in Montreal just cut his time short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 25, 2010 -> 07:32 PM) Nitpicking? The man was a 500 HR lock before his knees killed his career. The Astroturf in Montreal just cut his time short. If Jim Rice is a HOFer, then so is Dawson. Sure, different styles of player, but they both have the same reason for not having great career numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 The one guy who I can see getting in with the veterans' committee years down the line could be Dale Murphy. He was so dominant in the '80s and won a few MVP awards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 QUOTE (knightni @ Jul 25, 2010 -> 06:32 PM) Nitpicking? The man was a 500 HR lock before his knees killed his career. The Astroturf in Montreal just cut his time short. You're choosing two stats that made him look good, that's nitpicking. The problem is that his OBP, SLG, wOBA, OPS, all the nice rate stats that are used these days, don't speak so highly of him. Adding in his pretty good defense is what makes a good case for him IMO. But even then, he's no sure-shot candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 25, 2010 Share Posted July 25, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 25, 2010 -> 06:34 PM) If Jim Rice is a HOFer, then so is Dawson. Sure, different styles of player, but they both have the same reason for not having great career numbers. I really didn't like the Rice induction either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 25, 2010 -> 06:52 PM) I really didn't like the Rice induction either. Rice and Dawson are the two guys in recent memory whose inductions bother me. And when I saw that Dawson had a chance, I thought "If Rice is in, I guess Dawson will get in, too." And the voters won't let Blyleven in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lord chas Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jul 25, 2010 -> 09:07 PM) Rice and Dawson are the two guys in recent memory whose inductions bother me. And when I saw that Dawson had a chance, I thought "If Rice is in, I guess Dawson will get in, too." And the voters won't let Blyleven in. keep santo out as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 QUOTE (lord chas @ Jul 25, 2010 -> 10:12 PM) keep santo out as well Didn't he miss his final chance this year? Either way, I don't see the veterans voting him in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSoxfan1986 Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jul 25, 2010 -> 10:07 PM) Rice and Dawson are the two guys in recent memory whose inductions bother me. And when I saw that Dawson had a chance, I thought "If Rice is in, I guess Dawson will get in, too." And the voters won't let Blyleven in. Blyleven will get in next year. He fell like four votes short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 "The greatest trade rumor in baseball history" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 26, 2010 -> 09:10 AM) "The greatest trade rumor in baseball history" Hahahahaha. Hey, you have some overpriced crap players? Alright, I'll exchange them for my overpriced crappy players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jul 25, 2010 -> 10:07 PM) Rice and Dawson are the two guys in recent memory whose inductions bother me. And when I saw that Dawson had a chance, I thought "If Rice is in, I guess Dawson will get in, too." And the voters won't let Blyleven in. I personally think Murphy should be in over either of those two. His offensive numbers, when you consider WHEN he played, combined with stellar defense, makes him a better candidate IMO. And Bly should be in, I hope he gets it on this next try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 Buster Posey has a 19 game hitting streak. Man he is just a good pure hitter.. STUD. Hopefully he doesn't have a sophomore slump next year, but I don't think it will be too severe. Dude is just a natural hitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 Chris Coghlan shreds his knee and will probably need surgery...after delivering a pie to the face of Wes Helms after an 11th inning walkoff hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 27, 2010 -> 09:06 AM) Chris Coghlan shreds his knee and will probably need surgery...after delivering a pie to the face of Wes Helms after an 11th inning walkoff hit. What the hell is up with all these celebration injuries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 Strasburg has been scratched from his start tonight after injuring himself during warm-ups. No word on how serious. Ben Goessling, MASN: Boos for Miguel Batista as he warms up. There's a steady agitated murmur at #Nationals Park right now. 12 minutes ago via TweetDeck And an update: Rizzo said #Strasburg had trouble getting loose in the bullpen. They'll do an x-ray and MRI on his arm. Precautionary for now -- no pain. 3 minutes ago via TweetDeck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Looks like those bad mechanics are starting to take somewhat of an effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Jose Bautista: 4/4 2 HRs tonight. The Blue Jays announcers were saying that the Jays shouldn't trade Bautista for anything less than 3 blue-chip prospects. I almost choked on my own saliva when I heard that. Oh, Buster Posey is good. RBI double off of Josh Johnson. 20-game hitting streak now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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