Jordan4life_2007 Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 04:44 PM) In those two cases, they beat out everybody else on offense. Well, maybe not in 06 for Howard since Pujols was better than him, but that was the case with Frank. In this case, Cabrera and Hamilton are virtually equal. Hamilton's been a hell of a lot more valuable than Cabrera. 1.5 WAR is quite a disparity. Do you honestly think the voters are going to say to themselves, "Well, it's really close between the two, but Josh has the higher WAR. So I'll vote for him." Don't get me wrong. I totally understand what you're saying. But sabermetrics aren't quite that mainstream yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted August 27, 2010 Share Posted August 27, 2010 (edited) 3 of the awards are basically already locked up: AL manager: Ron Washington NL manager: Bud Black AL ROY: Feliz The NL MVP is a lock between two guys: Votto & Pujols NL ROY: Posey seems to be running away with it, but I still think Garcia gets plenty votes for being a solid SP all season AL MVP: As discussed it seems to be between Hamilton & Cabrera. Both guys are having monster years, but I think Hamilton wins it, definitely helps that his team will make the playoffs. Both Cy Young races are so up for grabs, won't be decided until the end of the season. Several good candidates in both leagues. My picks right now are Wainwright & Sabathia. (Felix deserves it, but the voters love wins, and CC's best month is always Sept.) Edited August 27, 2010 by LittleHurt05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted August 28, 2010 Share Posted August 28, 2010 Come on, does anyone doubt that baseball's darling (Hamilton) will win the MVP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted August 28, 2010 Share Posted August 28, 2010 Great game in San Diego tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted August 28, 2010 Share Posted August 28, 2010 Jay Bruce had himself quite a night. He had been in hibernation all year until recently. If he gets hot, yikes! I love this Reds team. Took a while. But they have the look of a team that's going to contend for a while. Not just a 1-year odyssey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted August 28, 2010 Share Posted August 28, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 06:04 PM) Do you honestly think the voters are going to say to themselves, "Well, it's really close between the two, but Josh has the higher WAR. So I'll vote for him." Don't get me wrong. I totally understand what you're saying. But sabermetrics aren't quite that mainstream yet. In this case, the voters don't need WAR. They can look at the normal offensive numbers are recognize that Cabrera and Hamilton are both hitting at a similar level. Then of course, Hamilton obviously has the better reputation as a defender. They can get it right without WAR. Edited August 28, 2010 by chw42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted August 28, 2010 Share Posted August 28, 2010 QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 28, 2010 -> 02:42 AM) In this case, the voters don't need WAR. They can look at the normal offensive numbers are recognize that Cabrera and Hamilton are both hitting at a similar level. Then of course, Hamilton obviously has the better reputation as a defender. They can get it right without WAR. You're right. But you do have to admit that you were off when you said "Josh Hamilton blows Cabrera out of the water in just about everything though." All you had to say was that defense is what separates the two and I wouldn't have said a thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted August 28, 2010 Share Posted August 28, 2010 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Aug 28, 2010 -> 04:20 AM) You're right. But you do have to admit that you were off when you said "Josh Hamilton blows Cabrera out of the water in just about everything though." All you had to say was that defense is what separates the two and I wouldn't have said a thing. It was just a bad day for chw with all the bad worded post. I'm sure he'll bounce back nicely tomorrow. (or technically today) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 28, 2010 Share Posted August 28, 2010 MLB has suspended Nats OF Nyjer Morgan for 7 games because they believe he purposely threw a ball at a fan/heckler in the OF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 28, 2010 Share Posted August 28, 2010 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Aug 28, 2010 -> 06:03 AM) Jay Bruce had himself quite a night. He had been in hibernation all year until recently. If he gets hot, yikes! I love this Reds team. Took a while. But they have the look of a team that's going to contend for a while. Not just a 1-year odyssey. I'm sure you've heard the legend of Chapman's fastball last night. 105mph???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 28, 2010 Share Posted August 28, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 28, 2010 -> 07:11 PM) I'm sure you've heard the legend of Chapman's fastball last night. 105mph???? Rest in piece, ligaments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted August 28, 2010 Share Posted August 28, 2010 QUOTE (J.Reedfan8 @ Aug 28, 2010 -> 05:20 AM) It was just a bad day for chw with all the bad worded post. I'm sure he'll bounce back nicely tomorrow. (or technically today) I was getting ready to party, so yeah... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted August 28, 2010 Share Posted August 28, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 28, 2010 -> 06:11 PM) I'm sure you've heard the legend of Chapman's fastball last night. 105mph???? Yes, and he sat at 103. Doubt em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 Jermaine Dye said he wants to play in 2011. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 That's it! I'm proposing to Carlos Gonzalez ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Aug 29, 2010 -> 06:29 PM) That's it! I'm proposing to Carlos Gonzalez ASAP. Just keep him home since that is where he "produces" the most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 QUOTE (Brian @ Aug 29, 2010 -> 06:41 PM) Just keep him home since that is where he "produces" the most. I scoff at the notion Cargo only rakes at home (even though it's true). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 If the Sox don't make the postseason, I will be cheering for a Rangers/Reds World Series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 Chapman pitched tonight....looked amazing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 31, 2010 -> 09:13 PM) Chapman pitched tonight....looked amazing They're about to be 7 full games up on the Cardinals. That's a scary team come October. Also think Votto has about iced the MVP award. He's on the cover of SI and got some love from ESPN the Magazine. If the Reds win the division going away, it's his. And he f***ing deserves it. Incredible season. Edited September 1, 2010 by Jordan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 31, 2010 -> 08:13 PM) Chapman pitched tonight....looked amazing Hit 103 mph.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 Wow, didn't even see until a minute ago that the Rangers traded for Jeff Francoeur. Makes you wonder how serious Nelson Cruz's latest injury is. He's been on the DL all year it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 31, 2010 -> 09:02 PM) If the Sox don't make the postseason, I will be cheering for a Rangers/Reds World Series. Seconded. Hopefully we wont have to worry about that though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 31, 2010 -> 09:02 PM) If the Sox don't make the postseason, I will be cheering for a Rangers/Reds World Series. The Reds could be a very good team for a long time. The cubs really need to hope no other team in that division steps up as they could lose a whole lot of games until the money opens up. Anyone but Yanks or Red Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted September 1, 2010 Share Posted September 1, 2010 QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Sep 1, 2010 -> 09:52 AM) The Reds could be a very good team for a long time. The cubs really need to hope no other team in that division steps up as they could lose a whole lot of games until the money opens up. Anyone but Yanks or Red Sox. Wow, as the playoff picture stands today, there are only two teams I'd actively root against. They are the Yankees and the Phillies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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