What's next ?

[iamshack]

Not me. He's a below average defender and doesn't hit for the position.

 

Teahen is what he is...an ordinary baseball player. That's no knock on him, he's accomplished far more than I have, but I don't see his addition as a major chunk of championship armor.

Well thank goodness for that.

 

Seriously, not to poke fun at you, and this is obviously just your opinion, but there are some who think he still has a chance to fulfill some major potential, including some we must assume that work in the front office for our ballclub. Let's give him a chance before we make the determination...

[qwerty]

Well thank goodness for that.

 

Seriously, not to poke fun at you, and this is obviously just your opinion, but there are some who think he still has a chance to fulfill some major potential, including some we must assume that work in the front office for our ballclub. Let's give him a chance before we make the determination...

 

Teahan does already have five seasons under his belt, while in only one of those has his season amounted to much of anything offensively. In 2006 (his best season) he also played 21 less games than in any of his other four seasons, which was 109. Five years time span is a pretty damn good chunk of time to know what you have on your hands. That is not to say he cannot have a good, or even a very good season(s) before his career is over, it's just looking bleaker and bleaker, and time is just ticking for the 28 year old. I pretty much feel what you see is what you are gonna get out of teahan, which i of course would love to witness.

[iamshack]

Teahan does already have five seasons under his belt, while in only one of those has his season amounted to much of anything offensively. In 2006 (his best season) he also played 21 less games than in any of his other four seasons, which was 109. Five years time span is a pretty damn good chunk of time to know what you have on your hands. That is not to say he cannot have a good, or even a very good season(s) before his career is over, it's just looking bleaker and bleaker, and time is just ticking for the 28 year old. I pretty much feel what you see is what you are gonna get out of teahan, which i of course would love to witness.

 

Well, this is something I often struggle with in my mind. Teahan is 28, like you said, with 5 years under his belt. Which means he has been a regular player in the major leagues since what, his age 24 season? He's basically been asked to develop on the fly, as he was traded to a team that wanted to see immediate dividends for its trade of Carlos Beltran. Now had Mark been with a team where he was blocked, or that had no need to rush him, and he had not come to the major leagues until he was 26, would he be viewed the same? If he were coming into his third or fourth major league season instead of his 6th, would people give him more of a break? I just wonder how he might have developed had he been put on a slower path, or if coming up at his age did indeed change his potential.

 

 

[justBLAZE]

I find it weird that Kenny actually said 'we've been observing this guy for the last couple of years' is that a standard line of his that comes with every trade?

 

I mean unless there's something we don't know observing him for the last couple of years wouldn't convince me to trade for the guy.

[iamshack]

I find it weird that Kenny actually said 'we've been observing this guy for the last couple of years' is that a standard line of his that comes with every trade?

 

I mean unless there's something we don't know observing him for the last couple of years wouldn't convince me to trade for the guy.

 

It seems as though Kenny keeps his eye on certain guys and doesn't stop going after them. My guess is the Royals saw little need to deal him, as he was a low-cost player that they hoped would eventually reach his potential. It was not until now that Teahan reached a cost financially they did not which to pay which convinced them it was time to part ways.

[qwerty]

Well, this is something I often struggle with in my mind. Teahan is 28, like you said, with 5 years under his belt. Which means he has been a regular player in the major leagues since what, his age 24 season? He's basically been asked to develop on the fly, as he was traded to a team that wanted to see immediate dividends for its trade of Carlos Beltran. Now had Mark been with a team where he was blocked, or that had no need to rush him, and he had not come to the major leagues until he was 26, would he be viewed the same? If he were coming into his third or fourth major league season instead of his 6th, would people give him more of a break? I just wonder how he might have developed had he been put on a slower path, or if coming up at his age did indeed change his potential.

 

I tend to believe being given the chance to succeed in the majors, while already on the cusp, far out weighs repeating a level for the sake of ''honing'' ones skill set. Being given the chance to succeed in the majors means they also have the opportunity to struggle. Struggling is not necessarily a bad thing, and in fact, many times it's a good thing, Mistakes are meant to be learned from. There should not be much better of a place than at the major league level, with the most talented and very smartest men around you whenever you are having a problem, or simply want to ask a question.

 

The answer to your question about if he came into the league a couple years later would he be view differently is likely a yes. The general reason why a player is in the league at a younger age the majority of the time is because their skill set is cannot be denied, and they no longer have anything more to prove. Though i feel teahan was the polar opposite and was brought up due to the necessity of a player being needed on the major league rosters. Being brought up because of a necessity very well could have stunted his growth, but then again he put up his best season of his career, by far, in only his second season in the league. Truly, i couldn't tell you what his deal is.

 

Teahan far from lit up the minors, and he was not nearly as highly touted as some are leading others to believe. Being in money ball doesn't mean very much to me. Once more, i hope he hits the s*** out of the ball, also wish he plays some defense that won't hurt us. If you ask me, asking for even one of those two is already asking a good deal, let alone both at once.

[iamshack]

I tend to believe being given the chance to succeed in the majors, while already on the cusp, far out weighs repeating a level for the sake of ''honing'' ones skill set. Being given the chance to succeed in the majors means they also have the opportunity to struggle. Struggling is not necessarily a bad thing, and in fact, many times it's a good thing, Mistakes are meant to be learned from. There should not be much better of a place than at the major league level, with the most talented and very smartest men around you whenever you are having a problem, or simply want to ask a question.

 

The answer to your question about if he came into the league a couple years later would he be view differently is likely a yes. The general reason why a player is in the league at a younger age the majority of the time is because their skill set is cannot be denied, and they no longer have anything more to prove. Though i feel teahan was the polar opposite and was brought up due to the necessity of a player being needed on the major league rosters. Being brought up because of a necessity very well could have stunted his growth, but then again he put up his best season of his career, by far, in only his second season in the league. Truly, i couldn't tell you what his deal is.

 

Teahan far from lit up the minors, and he was not nearly as highly touted as some are leading others to believe. Being in money ball doesn't mean very much to me. Once more, i hope he hits the s*** out of the ball, also wish he plays some defense that won't hurt us. If you ask me, asking for even one of those two is already asking a good deal, let alone both at once.

 

Interesting stuff. Thanks Qwerty.

 

[Chisoxfn]

I read on espn about a trade possibilty Jenks to cubs for bradley with the cubs eating part of bradley's contract .

Whoever suggested that should get fired on the spot. Why would a team trade a guy like Jenks, whose there closer and historically a very good one, for a guy with an albatross of a contract whose a glorified DH, coming off a horrendous year and who has attitude problems.

 

Oh and I forgot to mention, if the Sox wanted to, they could just opt to let Jenks go. And they won't do that this year, but that would be a better choice than trading for Bradley.

[Kenny Hates Prospects]

Whoever suggested that should get fired on the spot. Why would a team trade a guy like Jenks, whose there closer and historically a very good one, for a guy with an albatross of a contract whose a glorified DH, coming off a horrendous year and who has attitude problems.

 

Oh and I forgot to mention, if the Sox wanted to, they could just opt to let Jenks go. And they won't do that this year, but that would be a better choice than trading for Bradley.

Just guessing, but maybe it's the same guy who suggested Peavy for Zambrano?

[spiderman]

Should be a glut of relievers on the free agent market and $7-7.5 mil for Jenks through arbitration is steep so non-tendering him is a possibility. So everybody what's coming ?

 

They are going to offer arbitration to Jenks, but my assumption is to spend money on a free agent (or taking on salary in a trade) would require them to free up salary, so I do think the White Sox trade Jenks for a few prospects or if there's a fit on a team that needs a closer in return for a Williams target.

 

Personally, I want Jenks back and am fine if the rest of the off-season is spent quietly. He's not an elite clower, but he's pretty good, and I don't want to gamble on Matt Thornton next season. Given that our starting rotation should be a strength of the team, part of me believes that Williams doesn't want to overspend on the bullpen, given that he's expecting 6-7 innings on most days. I'd hate to see the Sox starters do their job, and then find out that we don't have a closer we can trust. I much rather prefer using Thornton in the 8th and Jenks to finsh games.

[Steve9347]

It's Peanut Butter Jelly Time!

[elrockinMT]

Should be a glut of relievers on the free agent market and $7-7.5 mil for Jenks through arbitration is steep so non-tendering him is a possibility. So everybody what's coming ?

 

 

My guess is he stays a Sox

[witesoxfan]

Teahan far from lit up the minors, and he was not nearly as highly touted as some are leading others to believe. Being in money ball doesn't mean very much to me. Once more, i hope he hits the s*** out of the ball, also wish he plays some defense that won't hurt us. If you ask me, asking for even one of those two is already asking a good deal, let alone both at once.

 

In regards to this, he was drafted rather high partly because of the statistics he had accumulated leading up to the draft - hence the money ball effect - and he had some decent tools to work with as well. That draft actually went rather poorly for the A's in the early part of the draft - for as much publicity as they received for having 7 first round picks, the only 3 to make it were Teahen, Swisher, and Blanton, and really only Swisher and Blanton have turned into good players (and neither is particularly impressive). I don't think you can really ask for a whole hell of a lot more than that though in regards to 1st round picks - just getting productive major leaguers can be considered a success.

 

The A's did actually draft some good players that year, some of whom didn't sign. John Baker, Jared Burton, and Brad Ziegler all signed with the A's, and they also drafted Trevor Crowe and Jonathan Papelbon too.

[kitekrazy]

I read on espn about a trade possibilty Jenks to cubs for bradley with the cubs eating part of bradley's contract .

 

You know that S in E.S.P.N stand for stupid.

 

[kitekrazy]

They are going to offer arbitration to Jenks, but my assumption is to spend money on a free agent (or taking on salary in a trade) would require them to free up salary, so I do think the White Sox trade Jenks for a few prospects or if there's a fit on a team that needs a closer in return for a Williams target.

 

Personally, I want Jenks back and am fine if the rest of the off-season is spent quietly. He's not an elite clower, but he's pretty good, and I don't want to gamble on Matt Thornton next season. Given that our starting rotation should be a strength of the team, part of me believes that Williams doesn't want to overspend on the bullpen, given that he's expecting 6-7 innings on most days. I'd hate to see the Sox starters do their job, and then find out that we don't have a closer we can trust. I much rather prefer using Thornton in the 8th and Jenks to finsh games.

 

Why would you trade Jenks for "prospects"? Closers are hard to replace. Period. What may be even more difficult is replacing the quality of setup work provided by Thornton.

[balfanman]

Why would you trade Jenks for "prospects"? Closers are hard to replace. Period. What may be even more difficult is replacing the quality of setup work provided by Thornton.

 

Again, for the most part I agree with this. One question I have that I haven't heard anyone address (if they have I missed it, sorry) is the condition of Jenks' arm.

 

The Sox have mentioned that they would like for him to trim down and get in better shape, and that would help his leg problem I'm sure. I can't recall if any of his injuries the last few seasons have anything to do with his arm or shoulder, but Jenks does have a screw in his elbow and I wonder if the Sox are at all concerned about that. Has anyone heard of Jenks or anyone from the Sox mention anything about his arm?

[spiderman]

Why would you trade Jenks for "prospects"? Closers are hard to replace. Period. What may be even more difficult is replacing the quality of setup work provided by Thornton.

 

If you re-read my post, you will see that I do not want to trade Bobby Jenks for the reason you stated.

 

However, I don't think Kenny Williams is content with the current team, and is limited by the team's payroll to make any other moves. So, if Williams wants to make other moves, which requires freeing up payroll, he'll have to free up money, and the White Sox would probably do so by movig Jenks. I mention prospects, and mean guys who may be able to make the team this season because the goal in moving Jenks would be to free up salary. Of course, they could move Jenks for another guy making similar money, if that was a person that Williams was targeting in completing his off-season planning.

[DGSOXFan14]

I really hope we go after a guy like Rafael Betancourt, his option was declined by the Rockies and he knows this division well. He might not solve all of our bullpen problems but he could def. help.

 

Colorado Rockies decline option on Rafael Betancourt

[Balta1701]

I really hope we go after a guy like Rafael Betancourt, his option was declined by the Rockies and he knows this division well. He might not solve all of our bullpen problems but he could def. help.

 

Colorado Rockies decline option on Rafael Betancourt

Sign him for a league minimum deal and offer his supplier an extra million or two so that he actually performs.