HuskyCaucasian Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 This from the Politico: A Tea Party party registers in Florida A Florida conservative has registered an official "Tea Party" with the office of the Secretary of State, and is promising to run candidates against Republicans and Democrats in state and national races. "The current system has become mired in the sludge of special interest money that seeks to control the leadership of both parties. It’s time for real change,” says Orlando lawyer Frederic O’Neal, the new party's chairman, who couldn't be reached immediately by phone, in a press release. A spokeswoman for the Florida Secretary of State, Jennifer Davis, said the party had registered in August. O'Neal compared his party's role to that of the Conservative Party in New York's 23rd District. Florida, however, lacks the "fusion" rules that has allowed third parties in New York to amass influence by offering their ballot line to acceptable major-party candidates. It's unclear if O'Neal, who has represented high-profile tax protesters, has the wherewithal to organize a movement that prides itself on spontaneity and existing outside party structures. The Tea Party will become one of 32 minor political parties certified by the state, including also the Real Food Party of the United States of America, the Prohibition Party, and the Florida Socialist Workers Party. Its website is not live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted November 9, 2009 Author Share Posted November 9, 2009 Ok, so the thread name was a bit of a parody of the Dem and Rep thread titles. The general idea is this: With what is going on in the GOP and what happened in the NY-23 race, could the long rumored GOP split finally starting to happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 This party will get crushed unless they take an insane amount of votes from Republicans. Reality is about to kill the Tea Party movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 There ain't no partay like my Nana's tea partay. . . Hi. . . Ho. . . ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Nov 9, 2009 -> 10:57 AM) This party will get crushed unless they take an insane amount of votes from Republicans. Reality is about to kill the Tea Party movement. Frankly, I think the "Throw the bums out because we have no jobs" sentiment could easily overwhelm the "My God these guys are completely nuts" sentiment next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 Frankly, I think the "Throw the bums out because we have no jobs" sentiment could easily overwhelm the "My God these guys are completely nuts" sentiment next year. Yea except "Throw the bums out" for the Tea Party is get rid of the federal government. They have some success right now because they're stuck in an echo chamber of each other and FOX news, but when you start putting people up for public office their message is going to be kind of exposed for its zaniness. Luckily for Democrats there's a lot of overlap between Conservative Republicans and the Tea Partiers, letting the Democrats win with a ~40% plurality if they control the base. That is of course if the Tea Party thing lasts another year, which it probably wont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted November 9, 2009 Share Posted November 9, 2009 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Nov 9, 2009 -> 03:09 PM) Yea except "Throw the bums out" for the Tea Party is get rid of the federal government. They have some success right now because they're stuck in an echo chamber of each other and FOX news, but when you start putting people up for public office their message is going to be kind of exposed for its zaniness. Luckily for Democrats there's a lot of overlap between Conservative Republicans and the Tea Partiers, letting the Democrats win with a ~40% plurality if they control the base. That is of course if the Tea Party thing lasts another year, which it probably wont. MMMkay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Nov 9, 2009 -> 01:39 PM) There ain't no partay like my Nana's tea partay. . . Hi. . . Ho. . . ! haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Flaxx's response should be the only response...and then lock the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonxctf Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 it'll be the Republican's version of the Green Party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 QUOTE (jasonxctf @ Nov 10, 2009 -> 09:05 AM) it'll be the Republican's version of the Green Party. I don't think so. The Greens have been around a long time, have a sustained but very small support base. This thing is more likely to get a much bigger wave of initial support, then die off completely. I'm actually happy with new parties joining the fray, I think its healthy for the system. Heck, if someone had the balls to form a party of fiscal/business conservatives and social liberals, I'd be all over that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 10, 2009 -> 09:38 AM) Heck, if someone had the balls to form a party of fiscal/business conservatives and social liberals, I'd be all over that. Relinquish your moderator status here and get to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Nov 10, 2009 -> 09:40 AM) Relinquish your moderator status here and get to work. All part of the plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 10, 2009 -> 09:38 AM) I don't think so. The Greens have been around a long time, have a sustained but very small support base. This thing is more likely to get a much bigger wave of initial support, then die off completely. I'm actually happy with new parties joining the fray, I think its healthy for the system. Heck, if someone had the balls to form a party of fiscal/business conservatives and social liberals, I'd be all over that. "A party of fiscal/business conservatives and social liberals." Isn't that the Libertarian Party? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Nov 10, 2009 -> 10:44 AM) "A party of fiscal/business conservatives and social liberals." Isn't that the Libertarian Party? They're a lot farther to the right economically. Borderline anarchy. There really is no "medium government" party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Nov 10, 2009 -> 09:55 AM) They're a lot farther to the right economically. Borderline anarchy. There really is no "medium government" party. Yeah, I'd actually line up well with some of the liberterian ideals, but many of them take it to an extreme that is beyond realism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Nov 10, 2009 -> 09:55 AM) They're a lot farther to the right economically. Borderline anarchy. There really is no "medium government" party. According to our "leaders," there can be no such thing. Extremes are the only answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 10, 2009 -> 09:38 AM) I don't think so. The Greens have been around a long time, have a sustained but very small support base. This thing is more likely to get a much bigger wave of initial support, then die off completely. I'm actually happy with new parties joining the fray, I think its healthy for the system. Heck, if someone had the balls to form a party of fiscal/business conservatives and social liberals, I'd be all over that. Kind of funny, but I think conservative (and I mean true conservatives, not just people screaming to scream) are pretty damn close to that. Why? We don't have to talk about the fiscal/business side of it but the social part - the conservative generally thinks that individuals have the path to their own ideals... as long as you're not interfering with the law (that is to say breaking socially unacceptable laws) you are free to do what it is you wish to do in your own way (aka, that's liberty). True conservatives don't care about gay marriage or abortion - they believe what they believe but the national government should have no say or jurisdiction in these matters. A true conservative has their belief system but doesn't want to push that agenda on others. Where it all crosses the line is when the belief system is pushed down your throat, and in my opinion, these aren't conservatives anymore - that's where they cross the line into the bat-s*** crazy people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 (edited) I'm actually happy with new parties joining the fray Couldn't disagree more. Look at the coalition governments European countries have to make majorities out of 5 or 6 parties, you end up with 25-30% of the population dictating policy as opposed to our 50%+1. Not that there can be 2 or more viable parties in America to begin with. Structurally its impossible. Edited November 10, 2009 by DukeNukeEm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Nov 10, 2009 -> 02:02 PM) Couldn't disagree more. Look at the coalition governments European countries have to make majorities out of 5 or 6 parties, you end up with 25-30% of the population dictating policy as opposed to our 50%+1. Not that there can be 2 or more viable parties in America to begin with. Structurally its impossible. Look at who the parties represent today and the fringes that manage each of them, not to mention how many people vote and drive the political process here. You can't tell me that we don't have a minority of a minority running this country today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Look at who the parties represent today and the fringes that manage each of them, not to mention how many people vote and drive the political process here. You can't tell me that we don't have a minority of a minority running this country today. I'm going to tell you we dont have a minority of a minority running this country today. The assumption you're carrying around that somehow the extreme left (communists) and the extreme right (hardcore anti-federalists) are dictating any sort of policy is pretty ludicrous and unsubstantiated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Nov 10, 2009 -> 02:11 PM) I'm going to tell you we dont have a minority of a minority running this country today. The assumption you're carrying around that somehow the extreme left (communists) and the extreme right (hardcore anti-federalists) are dictating any sort of policy is pretty ludicrous and unsubstantiated. Nevermind. I forgot who I was responding to. Carry on to whatever you wanting to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Nevermind. I forgot who I was responding to. Carry on to whatever you wanting to do. you too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 10, 2009 -> 03:05 PM) Look at who the parties represent today and the fringes that manage each of them, not to mention how many people vote and drive the political process here. You can't tell me that we don't have a minority of a minority running this country today. Well if you really want to follow that line of thinking to its conclusion, just follow the cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Nov 10, 2009 -> 01:10 PM) Well if you really want to follow that line of thinking to its conclusion, just follow the cash. So you're saying G.S. and the rest of Wall Street run the country? Yeah, I'd buy that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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