southsider2k5 Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,1141925.story Williams said this is the first offseason he hasn't had to worry about his rotation, adding he has no plans to trade Gavin Floyd or John Danks. "You can never say never, but you can say unlikely," Williams said. ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bmags Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 it's the one thing he doesn't have to worry about, that and 2b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Nov 11, 2009 -> 02:00 PM) By midnight tonight both will be gone, along with Buehrle. And we're signing Roberto Alomar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitoMB345 Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 QUOTE (bschmaranz @ Nov 11, 2009 -> 06:47 PM) By midnight tonight both will be gone, along with Buehrle. And we're signing Roberto Alomar. And Carl Everett. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobryansson Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Danks and Floyd to the Cubs for Bradley, I'm sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickofypres Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 This is most reassuring. Its nice to know we're going to have 4 starters in our rotation that can beat another team's #1 guy, plus Freddy Garcia. This will be the biggest key in a turnaround. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 I would take KW's word on this. Unless there's someone he can't pass up on that would require trading Danks or Floyd, I don't see it happening. And realistically, is there anyone out there worth pursuing that hard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (hogan873 @ Nov 12, 2009 -> 07:08 AM) I would take KW's word on this. Unless there's someone he can't pass up on that would require trading Danks or Floyd, I don't see it happening. And realistically, is there anyone out there worth pursuing that hard? Albert Pujols? Edited November 12, 2009 by Chet Kincaid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Nov 11, 2009 -> 09:00 PM) That's funny right there. But, really why trade away our strength. The way the offense is shaping up it will be pitching in 2010 or nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 12, 2009 -> 04:25 PM) That's funny right there. But, really why trade away our strength. The way the offense is shaping up it will be pitching in 2010 or nothing I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 QUOTE (hogan873 @ Nov 12, 2009 -> 07:08 AM) I would take KW's word on this. Unless there's someone he can't pass up on that would require trading Danks or Floyd, I don't see it happening. And realistically, is there anyone out there worth pursuing that hard? Milton Bradley? Carlos Zambrano? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 QUOTE (whitesox901 @ Nov 11, 2009 -> 07:43 PM) This is most reassuring. Its nice to know we're going to have 4 starters in our rotation that can beat another team's #1 guy, plus Freddy Garcia. This will be the biggest key in a turnaround. Garcia scares me though. He hasn't thrown even a 100 innings in some time and we will be relying on him for 180 innings and if we move a Hudson we have no back-up plan. Add in Floyd having a bum hip (potentially) and the fact that most teams have a few pitchers go down in a season and I'm not sure we have the minor league resources to step in and fill if we do have an injury. Hynick/Torres would be the next in line if Hudson were traded, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 12, 2009 -> 07:25 AM) That's funny right there. But, really why trade away our strength. The way the offense is shaping up it will be pitching in 2010 or nothing I wouldn't touch the rotation and I'd be hesitant to deal Hudson. I'd try to free up payroll as best as possible so that we can sign a few guys to short term deals and have a league average offense. If the team is playing great at the deadline, maybe swing for a big bat in the order or just hope that our younger player progress enough that they can fill in and eventually turn the league average offense into a better than league average one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Nov 12, 2009 -> 07:26 AM) Albert Pujols? Okay, sure, but he's not available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 QUOTE (bschmaranz @ Nov 12, 2009 -> 10:37 AM) Milton Bradley? Carlos Zambrano? Well, I'd send them both to the Cubs for Bradley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 13, 2009 Author Share Posted November 13, 2009 QUOTE (hogan873 @ Nov 12, 2009 -> 01:07 PM) Okay, sure, but he's not available. I could see a scenario where he asked for a big huge extention making him available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 12, 2009 -> 05:09 PM) I could see a scenario where he asked for a big huge extention making him available. I think the Cardinals will pay the big huge extension, frankly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 13, 2009 Author Share Posted November 13, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 12, 2009 -> 07:11 PM) I think the Cardinals will pay the big huge extension, frankly. Even if he wanted more than ARod? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 yeah. The city's love affair with its players along with pretty good revenue, I don't see the cardinals not re-signing pujols. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 13, 2009 Author Share Posted November 13, 2009 Their revenue has always been good. What is the biggest contract they have handed out? The last Pujols deal, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 12, 2009 -> 07:52 PM) Their revenue has always been good. What is the biggest contract they have handed out? The last Pujols deal, right? Yeah, 7 years, $100 million, at age 24. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 13, 2009 Author Share Posted November 13, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 12, 2009 -> 09:54 PM) Yeah, 7 years, $100 million, at age 24. Besides that one, is there anything worth mentioning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 13, 2009 Author Share Posted November 13, 2009 And I will throw this out here Re:Albert http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...,7287484.column When Albert Pujols went a career-worst 89 at-bats without a home run to end an MVP performance in 2009, it was shocking. But it also may have been more. It may have been the beginning of the end for him in St. Louis. The time may be coming, faster than Cardinals fans could dream, when general manager John Mozeliak may have to do the unthinkable -- solicit trade offers, most likely from the Red Sox, Yankees or Mets. Pujols, baseball's best player in the last decade, left Busch Stadium without talking to reporters last weekend. But in the little bit of communication he has had since then, he has raised doubts about his desire to spend his career with the Cardinals. In an interview with a Dominican radio station, Pujols said the Cardinals had approached him about a possible contract extension at some point during 2009. He and his agents at the Beverly Hills Sports Council told Mozeliak they are in no hurry. "I'm not desperate to sign a contract extension." Pujols told the radio station. "I still have one year remaining and a club option for 2011. I leave the rest in God's hands." Mozeliak told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch that Pujols' comments came as a "surprise." The club wants to get an extension in place this offseason, but it appears Pujols is concerned the Cardinals might not be able to pay him and put a contending team around him. "I reiterate that money is not everything," Pujols said in the radio interview. "It's better to have a competitive team that can go to the postseason." Pujols, who is almost certain to win his third MVP award after a season in which he hit .327 with 135 RBIs and a National League-leading 47 home runs, put up the most recent numbers despite dealing with continuing pain in his right elbow, which surgeon James Andrews will examine next week. But the $100 million contract he signed in 2004 is a bigger concern. Pujols, 29, would seem to merit a biggest-in-baseball deal like the one Alex Rodriguez received from the Yankees after 2007 -- 10 years, $275 million, with the annual salaries ranging from $20 million to $32 million. That was signed before attendance started going the wrong way. So take roughly 15 percent off for bad timing and you have a 10-year deal at about $235 million. Teams do not like to pay players more than 15 percent of the payroll because then they lack the overall depth to get to the World Series. With an average salary of $23.5 million -- the adjusted Rodriguez figure -- the Cardinals would have to spend more than $155 million to keep Pujols below 15 percent. That's not going to happen. Their Opening Day payroll was $88.5 million this season. So there are only two other possibilities -- the Cardinals convince Pujols to take less than Rodriguez, or they part company with him. If you are going to lose him to free agency, receiving two draft choices in exchange and dealing with two seasons of unending speculation, should you see what the Red Sox would give you to add Pujols as a counter to the Yankees' signing of Mark Teixeira? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 12, 2009 -> 11:25 AM) I wouldn't touch the rotation and I'd be hesitant to deal Hudson. I'd try to free up payroll as best as possible so that we can sign a few guys to short term deals and have a league average offense. If the team is playing great at the deadline, maybe swing for a big bat in the order or just hope that our younger player progress enough that they can fill in and eventually turn the league average offense into a better than league average one. JR just needs to stop being a cheap ass and this team needs to be sold to someone with the Steinbrenner mentality or invest in better scouting, development. I'm hoping "money is tight" is just a smoke screen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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