Jake Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4651324 Wow, no love for Beckham or Niemann, that's pretty rough since I believe the statistics would have Gordo as top hitter and Niemann as top pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveBrown85 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 what do they know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 He got one vote, thanks Eric Karabell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Keith Law had Beckham at #5. I'm fairly certain if Albert Pujols was traded to the Sox, Law would come to the conclusion he was terrible. KW must have pissed him off somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie Ball Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Rob Neyer proves he's still a cut above the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 One solitary vote is pretty surprising. All I'll say is that this year everyone on the list is pretty damn studly, so no matter what the outcome is, there will be guys who may have won in other years getting snubbed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 15, 2009 -> 06:40 PM) Keith Law had Beckham at #5. I'm fairly certain if Albert Pujols was traded to the Sox, Law would come to the conclusion he was terrible. KW must have pissed him off somehow. You could take the all the players from the All-Star teams and give them Sox hates, and Law would declare they suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Ozzie banged his wife. I didn't think Gordo would win but to see him cast so low is unfortunate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (daggins @ Nov 15, 2009 -> 06:59 PM) I didn't think Gordo would win but to see him cast so low is unfortunate. I agree. I still think Porcello deserves it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 I will be pissed if Andrus wins it over Beckham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 I'd probably go Anderson, Niemann, Beckham, Porcello, Andrus in that order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (tommy @ Nov 15, 2009 -> 10:11 PM) I will be pissed if Andrus wins it over Beckham. Why? A pretty good argument could be made that Andrus had a better year given his massive defensive advantage (and positional value in general). There's no doubt that he was worse offensively, but to put up above average offense at SS with excellent defense is a pretty valuable commodity. Beckham had a great year and deserves credit for what he did, but I don't think it's so obvious that he's more deserving that Andrus. Edited November 16, 2009 by Felix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie Ball Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 04:08 AM) I agree. I still think Porcello deserves it. For what reason? I think he's the most overrated candidate of this years class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (Ozzie Ball @ Nov 15, 2009 -> 11:04 PM) For what reason? I think he's the most overrated candidate of this years class. But he won 14 games! Honestly, if we're simply going by best rookie (regardless of position), it's got to be Andrew Bailey. He's in the top 6 or better in ERA, BAA and WHIP (for relievers). And I believe he converted his last 22 save opportunities. His K/9, BB/9, K/BB rates aren't too shabby, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (Felix @ Nov 15, 2009 -> 10:57 PM) Why? A pretty good argument could be made that Andrus had a better year given his massive defensive advantage (and positional value in general). There's no doubt that he was worse offensively, but to put up above average offense at SS with excellent defense is a pretty valuable commodity. Beckham had a great year and deserves credit for what he did, but I don't think it's so obvious that he's more deserving that Andrus. I think the reason Beckham won the two rookie awards in the last couple of week is because people realize that he had to play a brand new position, which seems to be underestimated by most. I think it gives him the edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Jake @ Nov 15, 2009 -> 06:03 PM) http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4651324 Wow, no love for Beckham or Niemann, that's pretty rough since I believe the statistics would have Gordo as top hitter and Niemann as top pitcher. Yea which is utterly stupid. Now if Beckham winds up losing I hope it's for either Niemann or Anderson as I feel both guys are also as deserving though Porcello is also as up there with Anderson too. Gordo also changing positions from a natural SS to 3B basically learning on the fly from never playing there, could perhaps sway the vote for him as well. Now I don't think Andrus should or would get it anyways even though he is a good defensive SS, just doesn't have the numbers and I remember some analyst commenting about Porcello and only starting more against NL teams in interleague and hardly in the AL East. And unless a reliever puts up 03 Eric Gagne numbers in a season (meh.. may be alittle harsh on my part there) OR if there's no other candidates to even consider (Huston Street won it in 05 over Cano whose rookie season [.297/.320/.458/.778] wasn't that great, though he did do it in NY and Jonny Gomes SHOULD had won it though not hitting the 350 abs mark might have hurt him) I never feel a reliever (in this case Bailey) should win the award. But that's my two cents. Edited November 16, 2009 by SoxAce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Um, can I get atleast one vote for Nolan Reimold, or do the Orioles no longer count as a major league baseball team? The fact that Nolan Reimold didn't get a single vote is absurd. Of course, most people don't realize the offensive season Reimold had, but that's OK, I suppose. The dude did his best to out-OPS everyone on the entire White Sox roster, and he got close to doing so. He had a great season, and I imagine only a few diehard baseball fans here even know who he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 02:33 AM) Um, can I get atleast one vote for Nolan Reimold, or do the Orioles no longer count as a major league baseball team? The fact that Nolan Reimold didn't get a single vote is absurd. Of course, most people don't realize the offensive season Reimold had, but that's OK, I suppose. The dude did his best to out-OPS everyone on the entire White Sox roster, and he got close to doing so. He had a great season, and I imagine only a few diehard baseball fans here even know who he is. Great call Blake. I actually forgot about him after he went down with that season ending injury. I thought Beckham had it locked up till he struggled a bit late. Reimold, though about 30 fewer at bats, outperformed him. Hell even though he won't win it, if Andrus is considered especially cause of his position, I would think a catcher like Matt Wieters (.288/.340/.412/.752) would get some consideration (at least) as well. Edited November 16, 2009 by SoxAce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 I think Brett Anderson is clearly the most deserving candidate of the Rookie class, but I want Beckham to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 you can't expect ESPN to cover more than 4 teams, guys. Let's be realistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie Ball Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 08:33 AM) Um, can I get atleast one vote for Nolan Reimold, or do the Orioles no longer count as a major league baseball team? The fact that Nolan Reimold didn't get a single vote is absurd. Of course, most people don't realize the offensive season Reimold had, but that's OK, I suppose. The dude did his best to out-OPS everyone on the entire White Sox roster, and he got close to doing so. He had a great season, and I imagine only a few diehard baseball fans here even know who he is. His defense was really bad; -10.8 UZR, -8 +/- and all in just 90 games. His bat was still enough to make him a positive factor and he may well be the best offensive player of this group going forward, but it wasn't enough this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 I'm very concerned gordo will only get one vote in the real balloting today. That would be quite unfortunate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSF Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 15, 2009 -> 06:40 PM) Keith Law had Beckham at #5. I'm fairly certain if Albert Pujols was traded to the Sox, Law would come to the conclusion he was terrible. KW must have pissed him off somehow. IIRC, wasn't Law a special assistant with the Blue Jays before joining ESPN? Maybe he was working with them when the Wells-Sirotka trade went down and still doesn't like KW as a result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 08:39 AM) you can't expect ESPN to cover more than four two teams, guys. Let's be realistic. Fixed. Good thing there aren't any Yankee or RedSox players in the mix, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (tommy @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 12:56 AM) I think the reason Beckham won the two rookie awards in the last couple of week is because people realize that he had to play a brand new position, which seems to be underestimated by most. I think it gives him the edge. While Beckham had a great season, I'm not going to give him any bonus points for playing a new position. There's no knowing how well he'd have performed if he were at a more natural position, so I don't see any reason to give his numbers a boost because of it. Simply put, Andrus was more valuable than him this year. Part of that has to do with having over 100 more PA on the season, but Andrus was actually fairly close to Beckham in terms of VORP this season (17.0 vs 19.2) despite the edge the rate stats give Beckham. Add in his defense (11.7 UZR/150) and you can see why Andrus had a higher WAR (3.0 vs 2.0) and likely has a better chance than Beckham to win AL RotY. Don't get me wrong, Beckham was awesome this year and his value is only going to increase as he moves to 2B next year, but I'm just not sold that he's a better candidate than Andrus. Of course, I'd probably vote for Brett Anderson over both of them. It's a travesty that he only got one vote with the ESPN people, but I guess that's expected with the WWL. Edited November 16, 2009 by Felix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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