Balta1701 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 01:01 PM) that is my understanding What I believe you can do with a recent draftee is put them on a PTBNL list and not actually name them for up to 6 months. Since the draft happens late June, that means Mitchell could be dealt as a PTBNL in late December, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 02:57 PM) It's what I do! Honestly, though, his road numbers are staggering. Yes, I am extrapolating road numbers, but it's quite obvious that Petco was killing him. His road OPS the last four seasons. 1.045 (27) .946 (26) .928 (25) .905 (24) Each of these years his home OPS was around .150 lower than his road OPS. Going from a hitter's nightmare to a hitter's paradise (we all know these two parks could not be more polar opposites) I have no problem comparing him head to head with Miggy, and given the differences (where you could expect Gonzo to park 50, easily - and he hits left-handed), I'd prefer Gonzalez. I've seen the numbers more than a few times, unfortunately it's rarely as simple as you're making it seem. You said Adrian would have more of an impact than Miguel Cabrera, I don't see how you could possibly say that with such confidence when Cabrera had accomplished substantially more in his career when dealt than Adrian has now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Boers just accused Gonzalez of being a roider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 03:06 PM) Boers just accused Gonzalez of being a roider. no one goes without suspicion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjshoe04 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 I'm drooling over this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 03:05 PM) I've seen the numbers more than a few times, unfortunately it's rarely as simple as you're making it seem. You said Adrian would have more of an impact than Miguel Cabrera, I don't see how you could possibly say that with such confidence when Cabrera had accomplished substantially more in his career when dealt than Adrian has now. I'm convinced Gonzalez could hit 50+ homers with a .400 OBP. The rarity of a player of this ability is stunning. No White Sox player has EVER hit 50 bombs, let alone with a .400 OBP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 03:06 PM) Boers just accused Gonzalez of being a roider. He said the same thing last week, basically he thinks everyone is on the juice, he accuses Albert Pujols every other day. And even if he is there's no reason to believe he'll stop juicing before he hits the open market 2 years from now so you should get his absolute best for the next 2 seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 The more I think about this, I dont know how we can possibly get SD to do this with Hudson/Flowers being the top two outgoing names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 08:52 PM) I'd like to keep Danksy and Flowers, but beggers can't be choosers. Especially, when we're begging for Adrian Gonzalez. That man can carry our franchise for the next decade. He carried SD too right to the bottom of the heap. One player isn't going to make our trip to the promise land especially if you trade away your prospects or top of the line pitchers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 08:47 PM) Signing Chapman to be our second lefty and to step into the 5 starter role after Fat Freddy is gone would be the ultimate coup. Hell, sign Leslie Anderson too and we might as well close up shop for the offseason. Are you talking the Cuban Chapman here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 03:09 PM) He carried SD too right to the bottom of the heap. One player isn't going to make our trip to the promise land especially if you trade away your prospects or top of the line pitchers That's ignorant as hell. Adrian Gonzalez had a fantastic season last year and the rest of the s***ty players on the Padres major league team carried them to a last place finish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 04:10 PM) Are you talking the Cuban Chapman here? Yep, unlikely i'll admit, but so is Adrian Gonzalez being a White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 08:31 PM) Yeah, even the guys who don't like giving up young players (i.e. me) would do it with Hudson as a starting point. It's giving up all of our top 4-5 guys that would trouble me. Why are we to ones giivng up all the talent? Whay aren't we talking LAA prospects here? Konerko is no thrown in/out to any deal and LAA has to give up something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 03:09 PM) He carried SD too right to the bottom of the heap. One player isn't going to make our trip to the promise land especially if you trade away your prospects or top of the line pitchers Sure, but we'd be combining him with a solid crop of players here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 03:09 PM) He carried SD too right to the bottom of the heap. One player isn't going to make our trip to the promise land especially if you trade away your prospects or top of the line pitchers My read on how we stand for 2010 season: We are standing with a mayyybe better staff than we had in 2005, and a way worse offense. You have to deal from a strength to get better. If you move Floyd, a little money is saved along the way which you can put back into the pile you can play with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 03:08 PM) I'm convinced Gonzalez could hit 50+ homers with a .400 OBP. The rarity of a player of this ability is stunning. No White Sox player has EVER hit 50 bombs, let alone with a .400 OBP. I get that, what you're doing is selling Miguel Cabrera short. He's now put up 4 huge seasons in 2 of the better pitcher's parks in the game. You also can't over look the tremendous value of a perennial .320+ hitter as it's become fashionable to do in recent years, he was also 3 years younger than Gonzalez is now when he was traded to Detroit and a far more polished offensive threat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 09:12 PM) Yep, unlikely i'll admit, but so is Adrian Gonzalez being a White Sox. Which one is most unlikely. I am thinking the Cuban fireballer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 I don't think it's a good idea to go to the media outlets for things like this. If you're wrong, guess who guesses gets ridiculed? The same people who probably won't want to come out with any rumors in future dates. Also, I've always had the thought, that if national media gets ahold of it, that the other teams who really want said player, will try even harder to get things done faster. Hopefully it goes through, but I don't see it happening. It doesn't make enough sense from the Angels' perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 09:13 PM) My read on how we stand for 2010 season: We are standing with a mayyybe better staff than we had in 2005, and a way worse offense. You have to deal from a strength to get better. If you move Floyd, a little money is saved along the way which you can put back into the pile you can play with. Yes, but it doesn't do you any good to weaken one strength to strengthen a weak area Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 03:09 PM) He carried SD too right to the bottom of the heap. One player isn't going to make our trip to the promise land especially if you trade away your prospects or top of the line pitchers He very well could with the rotation and supporting offensive cast we have now. In fact I don't see how this team could possibly win a damn thing without the addition of a big bat this offseason, the offense as presently constituted is awful not to mention the fact that he's a top 3 defensive 1B and we have an error prone left side of the infield. Oh and the whole flexibility that comes from your best player making $5M a year over the next 2 seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 03:09 PM) He said the same thing last week, basically he thinks everyone is on the juice, he accuses Albert Pujols every other day. And even if he is there's no reason to believe he'll stop juicing before he hits the open market 2 years from now so you should get his absolute best for the next 2 seasons. And this is exactly what MLB gets for being so cloak and dagger about their drug testing. NO one has a clear name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 09:15 PM) And this is exactly what MLB gets for being so cloak and dagger about their drug testing. NO one has a clear name. True, but they brought it on themselves don't you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 03:14 PM) Yes, but it doesn't do you any good to weaken one strength to strengthen a weak area I might agree with you if not for our park. We're not a great defensive team, yet we're not a strikeout pitching staff either. I'd be a little more thrilled with a bunch of great groundball pitchers if and when we can actually pick up the ball. On top of all this, I still consider Peavy an unknown to some extent (I'm aware most dont). Right now we have a great park for hitters but not enough power. That absolutely has to be addressed, even if it means ending the dream of the 5-deep staff. Edited November 16, 2009 by Princess Dye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 03:12 PM) Yep, unlikely i'll admit, but so is Adrian Gonzalez being a White Sox. $30 million over four years, when added to what Gonzalez is set to make, would almost exactly offset Konerko's salary. Crazy, I know, but I am just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 03:16 PM) True, but they brought it on themselves don't you think? I believe they did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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