The Ginger Kid Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 I also seem to remember that AGon was very high on the Red Sox list this off season. Would be nice to screw those guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eickevinmorris Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 QUOTE (almagest @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 06:55 PM) What else is there to talk about? This also has a verified source. It's not just idle speculation. What do you mean by verified? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (KevinM @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 06:01 PM) What do you mean by verified? meaning the guy who owns the site verified the source of the rumor, then posted it on Soxnet and soxtalk. Dont get us wrong, nobody is saying that this deal is signed, sealed and delivered. However, the homework has been done before this report was posted, Soxtalk doesnt want to be known as a site that is just throwing stuff against the wall to see what sticks and this is no exception. Edited November 17, 2009 by KyYlE23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEdWalsh Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Anybody here see Gonzalez play when he was with Kane County? Jeez, he was awesome even then. He was probably only 19. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 (edited) No one should ever have fun ever. Board should be a safe haven from that http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/...lex-issues.html Did new GM Hoyer work for the Padres under Kevin Towers? Edited November 17, 2009 by Princess Dye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Okay, i say we ban anyone that reports on any early stages of player acquisition, or any fan who puts out hypotheticals... annnnnd enjoy off-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 17, 2009 Author Share Posted November 17, 2009 Great piece from Gonzalez. Clearly these are the interesting aspects of the trade and it is important that we indicate we only are verifying the prelim discussions. Gonzalez breaks out the reasons the deal wouldn't happen, but he also points out the Padres interest in a SP, CF, C, and 2B. The Sox have 3 prospects that fill 3 of those needs and they happen to be our top 3 prospects. Bottom line, there is a lot of stuff in our system that would interest the Padres. The question is can the Sox take the risk and will they completely take a shot on Gonzalez putting them over the top for the next two years, because after that, it is highly unlikely the Sox brass would spend the necessary money to keep Gonzalez on the south-side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 (edited) I just feel like other teams would see Jordan Danks as a borderline starting outfielder. As a likely outcome. Edited November 17, 2009 by Princess Dye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedoctor Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 QUOTE (longshot7 @ Nov 17, 2009 -> 12:48 AM) I don't want to come across as overly critical, but this is such a ridiculous story. Teams have preliminary talks about players all the time - how is this newsworthy? Konerko would be a horrible trade for the Angels and they have no need of him. I know this is the offseason and we don't have a lot to talk about, but can we refrain from this silly trade talk? It comes off very Cub fan-like. two points: -one, since when did message boards become places that are supposed to be bastions of truth and reality? any message board (cub, sox, yankees, name a team) spends a good deal of time as a speculation machine. so i'm not sure what you're really getting at with that. -two, i agree wholeheartedly with your point that teams have preliminary trade talks all the time and that the fact that talks happened ("talks" could mean one phone call, really) don't mean much in regards to a deal being consummated. personally i don't find the deal as mentioned remotely realistic, but it doesn't mean it hasn't been discussed. and it doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss it here. personally i'd rather discuss this than ruminate over the sox payroll or whether ozzie ball ever really existed or not for the umpteenth time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 06:20 PM) Great piece from Gonzalez. Clearly these are the interesting aspects of the trade and it is important that we indicate we only are verifying the prelim discussions. Gonzalez breaks out the reasons the deal wouldn't happen, but he also points out the Padres interest in a SP, CF, C, and 2B. The Sox have 3 prospects that fill 3 of those needs and they happen to be our top 3 prospects. Bottom line, there is a lot of stuff in our system that would interest the Padres. The question is can the Sox take the risk and will they completely take a shot on Gonzalez putting them over the top for the next two years, because after that, it is highly unlikely the Sox brass would spend the necessary money to keep Gonzalez on the south-side. it would be awesome to get gonzalez but if the sox dont think or wouldnt want to pay what its going to cost to resgine him when he hits the market,then i dont want them to get him. they know how hes going to get a teixeira type contract so if theyre willing to give it to him than do it ,if not no. and i dont think theyd make this deal if they feel he'll be to expensive becuause i remember they got freddy and knew they were going to be able to resign him. they werent going to make the deal if they couldnt. (wow,the market has changed, we resigned freddy when he was an ace for 3/27 and now pitchers get 16+ and 5+ yrs lol) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 03:14 PM) He had a bounce back year, but after that '08 slump - you're pretty much at best going to dump that contract for middling prospects, or do some kind of lateral move where maybe you get a slightly better guy on a more problematic contract. If that's the case, you have to hold onto him. Unless the Sox bring JT or JD back (or pull off a deal for Gonzalez), somebody has to hit behind Quentin. I can't imagine how bad this offense would be with Quentin and Beckham being the only .800+ OPS hitters in the lineup. That said, I absolutely understand the logic behind dealing Paulie. He's overpaid in this market, prone to nagging injuries that kill his production, and while still productive, he's not the same .900 OPS guy from 2004-2006. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 They'll pay him his market value later on. We'll have cheap talent for awhile here. At that point you have a payroll of... Peavy, Rios, Floyd and not much else as we stand currently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 05:05 PM) They'll pay him his market value later on. We'll have cheap talent for awhile here. At that point you have a payroll of... Peavy, Rios, Floyd and not much else as we stand currently. If the Red Sox give Bay a huge deal this winter, there may not be a suitor to give Gonzalez a Texiera-type deal next winter. Don't get me wrong, Gonzalez will get paid a lot... just not Texiera money. Edited November 17, 2009 by WCSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 07:05 PM) They'll pay him his market value later on. We'll have cheap talent for awhile here. At that point you have a payroll of... Peavy, Rios, Floyd and not much else as we stand currently. The Sox are in a great position to deal for AGon and sign him to an extension after the 2011 season. . By then guys like Jared Mitchell and Phegley should be ready to come up, so even if we do trade Hudson, Flowers and more- we are still in great shape going forward. Get it done KW! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 04:16 PM) Did new GM Hoyer work for the Padres under Kevin Towers? He came from the Red Sox org. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 05:15 PM) The Sox are in a great position to deal for AGon and sign him to an extension after the 2011 season. . By then guys like Jared Mitchell and Phegley should be ready to come up, so even if we do trade Hudson, Flowers and more- we are still in great shape going forward. Get it done KW! Projecting where the current crop of guys will be a year from now is difficult enough. Talking about Phegley and Mitchell filling those holes...that's impossible to project at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 06:20 PM) Great piece from Gonzalez. Clearly these are the interesting aspects of the trade and it is important that we indicate we only are verifying the prelim discussions. Gonzalez breaks out the reasons the deal wouldn't happen, but he also points out the Padres interest in a SP, CF, C, and 2B. The Sox have 3 prospects that fill 3 of those needs and they happen to be our top 3 prospects. Bottom line, there is a lot of stuff in our system that would interest the Padres. The question is can the Sox take the risk and will they completely take a shot on Gonzalez putting them over the top for the next two years, because after that, it is highly unlikely the Sox brass would spend the necessary money to keep Gonzalez on the south-side. I am really impressed that everyone media-wise who has picked this up has been respectful of the initial report of this being in the discussion stages, and have built off of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 07:17 PM) Projecting where the current crop of guys will be a year from now is difficult enough. Talking about Phegley and Mitchell filling those holes...that's impossible to project at this point. True. . but both have the pedegree of becoming very good players. . . Mitchell looked mighty impressive in the college world series and Phegley is quickly turning into a quality catcher for the organization. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 05:20 PM) True. . but both have the pedegree of becoming very good players. . . Mitchell looked mighty impressive in the college world series and Phegley is quickly turning into a quality catcher for the organization. . . yeah, but one bust or one bad contract or one injury to anyone and we're in real deep trouble if we hand out $18 mil a year to AGon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 QUOTE (WCSox @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 07:07 PM) If the Red Sox give Bay a huge deal this winter, there may not be a suitor to give Gonzalez a Texiera-type deal next winter. Don't get me wrong, Gonzalez will get paid a lot... just not Texiera money. how is 18 mil unrealistic for him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 07:22 PM) yeah, but one bust or one bad contract or one injury to anyone and we're in real deep trouble if we hand out $18 mil a year to AGon. If things are that bad, he is always able to be traded, unless he personally falls apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stretchstretch Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 11:33 AM) The Angels have had their eyes on PK for years...kinda like how KW is accused of paying too much for guys he's had his eyes on, hopefully they do the same here they did, but then Texeira showed up, left, and the Angels found a rising star in Kendry Morales, who is much more in his prime at 26, has much better numbers as a switch hitter, and is making less than 10% of PK's money--and for those of us locals who've watched him play all season, can tell you intangibly he's simply a better total pkg than PK, even taking money out of the equation. There's no logic in why the Angels would replace him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 16, 2009 -> 07:22 PM) yeah, but one bust or one bad contract or one injury to anyone and we're in real deep trouble if we hand out $18 mil a year to AGon. If you look at the big picture we have a 2 year window at winning this thing. Buerhle's contract runs out after 2011 and, Peavy's deal is over after 2012. Say the Sox pull off this deal, we have 2 years to decide rather to sign him to an extension or move in a different direction. It would be one thing mortgaging a good chunk of your farm for a guy with 1 year left on his contract, but the fact he has 2 years remaining gives the Sox an advantage. This is the perfect time to pull off a deal of this magnitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 QUOTE (stretchstretch @ Nov 17, 2009 -> 02:31 AM) they did, but then Texeira showed up, left, and the Angels found a rising star in Kendry Morales, who is much more in his prime at 26, has much better numbers as a switch hitter, and is making less than 10% of PK's money--and for those of us locals who've watched him play all season, can tell you intangibly he's simply a better total pkg than PK, even taking money out of the equation. There's no logic in why the Angels would replace him But they wouldn't be replacing him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Even if they couldn't get Gonzalez, if the Angels want to give the Sox a good prospect for Paulie and take his contract, I say, as much as I like Paulie, send him west. There are going to be bargains galore this winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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