knightni Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Beckham ain't leaving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 If a midseason AGon trade happens, i'd think the M's are the most logical choice. They could be in a playoff chase (unlike the O's), they have an average 1B (unlike Red Sox) and they have better trade pieces than us. If it gets to next offseason, then the Sox (both colors) have a better shot, since the Padres won't be able to demand high end MLB guys like Ellsbury or Beckham anymore. Also maybe we get some breakout guys in our system this year that give us better pieces than we have now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan09 Posted February 26, 2010 Share Posted February 26, 2010 Beckham won't happen for sure but I hope some of the good prospects really have a good 3-4 months to increase their value so we get a shot at the trade deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 Sorry San Deigo, but Gordon's staying put. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 If I'm San Diego, the only players I'm looking at: Alexei Ramirez Gordon Beckham Viciedo (as possible 1B replacement) Hudson Matty Thornton Tyler Flowers Mitchell Carlos Quentin possibly Jordan Danks if he's playing like he did first half of 2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Feb 27, 2010 -> 01:16 AM) Sorry San Deigo, but Gordon's staying put. San Diego, Go f*** Yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 (edited) If you're the GM of the Padres, would you go after unproven players like Flowers, Hudson, Danks, Mitchell and Viciedo? I know I wouldn't. I'd ask for at least one of Ramirez/Beckham/Thornton/Quentin as my starting point. Then I'd target the 2-3 minor leaguers. Obviously Danks or Floyd aren't going anywhere, although I think a Floyd for Gonzalez swap might get KW's heart beating a little bit faster. Edited February 27, 2010 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Feb 27, 2010 -> 09:10 AM) If you're the GM of the Padres, would you go after unproven players like Flowers, Hudson, Danks, Mitchell and Viciedo? Frankly, yeah, I would. The teams that are going to be after him are going to be competitive teams, right? How many of them are going to willingly give up a "proven" player, someone who is already contributing to that team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatnom Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 27, 2010 -> 08:41 AM) Frankly, yeah, I would. The teams that are going to be after him are going to be competitive teams, right? How many of them are going to willingly give up a "proven" player, someone who is already contributing to that team? Plus, you have to look at it from a cost standpoint as well. These proven players are much closer to being paid than any of the unproven prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Feb 27, 2010 -> 08:10 AM) If you're the GM of the Padres, would you go after unproven players like Flowers, Hudson, Danks, Mitchell and Viciedo? I know I wouldn't. I'd ask for at least one of Ramirez/Beckham/Thornton/Quentin as my starting point. Then I'd target the 2-3 minor leaguers. Obviously Danks or Floyd aren't going anywhere, although I think a Floyd for Gonzalez swap might get KW's heart beating a little bit faster. If I was the GM of the Padres, I also wouldnt have traded Peavy for the crap he got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Feb 26, 2010 -> 11:16 PM) Sorry San Deigo, but Gordon's staying put. If there's any player in this organization that's untouchable, it's Beckham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 (edited) QUOTE (RockRaines @ Feb 27, 2010 -> 09:57 AM) If I was the GM of the Padres, I also wouldnt have traded Peavy for the crap he got. There's a new sheriff in town, and they aren't so desperate to unload money. If they do eventually get Ellsbury in a Gonzalez deal, there's a good chance they will have to pay Ellsbury more than Gonzalez will make in 2011. Its all about the prospects. It may be a reason the White Sox are more likely to keep a guy like Flowers in AAA. If he shows he's adequate defensively and is raking the ball down there, there is a far better chance of him being attractive to SD than a guy that catches once a week and may struggle initially offensively like most hitters do. Call me crazy, but I believe Flowers has a far better chance to stick on the MLB roster if Gonzalez is not available. Edited February 27, 2010 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SockMe Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 I can honestly say the only player I would trade Beckham for is Pujols. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Soxfan Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 27, 2010 -> 10:23 AM) There's a new sheriff in town, and they aren't so desperate to unload money. If they do eventually get Ellsbury in a Gonzalez deal, there's a good chance they will have to pay Ellsbury more than Gonzalez will make in 2011. Its all about the prospects. It may be a reason the White Sox are more likely to keep a guy like Flowers in AAA. If he shows he's adequate defensively and is raking the ball down there, there is a far better chance of him being attractive to SD than a guy that catches once a week and may struggle initially offensively like most hitters do. Call me crazy, but I believe Flowers has a far better chance to stick on the MLB roster if Gonzalez is not available. Ellsbury is close to arbitration and I'm not sure the Padres want to take on that nightmare with Boras as his agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 QUOTE (SockMe @ Feb 27, 2010 -> 10:30 AM) I can honestly say the only player I would trade Beckham for is Pujols. I'd trade him for Longoria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattZakrowski Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 QUOTE (SockMe @ Feb 27, 2010 -> 11:30 AM) I can honestly say the only player I would trade Beckham for is Pujols. Lincecum, Longoria, H.Ramirez, Mauer, J.Upton, without any hesitation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
striker Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 QUOTE (Springfield SoxFan @ Feb 27, 2010 -> 05:35 PM) Ellsbury is close to arbitration and I'm not sure the Padres want to take on that nightmare with Boras as his agent. Padres could flip Ellsbury to another team and get even more prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisoxfan09 Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 My whole premise has been the Pads want cheap MLB ready prospects with all or most of their Pre-Arb years in tact (Which is what Hudson, Flowers, and Morel offer). They have been looking at upgrades for 3rd base, catcher, and starting pitching. They are not in "Win Now" mode as are the WS. So this is why I keep coming back to the theory that with a whole lot of luck these 3 and maybe two other mid level prospects will be having very good years at the July deadline. Hopefully enough to entice Jed Hoyer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 QUOTE (chisoxfan09 @ Feb 27, 2010 -> 02:36 PM) My whole premise has been the Pads want cheap MLB ready prospects with all or most of their Pre-Arb years in tact (Which is what Hudson, Flowers, and Morel offer). They have been looking at upgrades for 3rd base, catcher, and starting pitching. They are not in "Win Now" mode as are the WS. So this is why I keep coming back to the theory that with a whole lot of luck these 3 and maybe two other mid level prospects will be having very good years at the July deadline. Hopefully enough to entice Jed Hoyer. Headley and Kouzmanoff (who they send to Oak) are/were better than Morel potential-wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 QUOTE (knightni @ Feb 27, 2010 -> 04:04 PM) Headley and Kouzmanoff (who they send to Oak) are/were better than Morel potential-wise. Were either of them thought of as highly defensively as Morel is? Because defense is getting a lot more attention right now than it was a couple years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 27, 2010 -> 04:09 PM) Were either of them thought of as highly defensively as Morel is? Because defense is getting a lot more attention right now than it was a couple years ago. I'm not really up on their overall defensive abilities but, I know that Kouz made only 3 errors in almost 1200 innings last year at 3b and SD traded him instead of Headley. Headley was more disciplined at the plate than Kouz (not saying much) but he is out of practice at 3B - since he was mostly LF the last two years. I don't know if Morel would be much of an overall upgrade over Headley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted February 27, 2010 Share Posted February 27, 2010 QUOTE (knightni @ Feb 27, 2010 -> 04:23 PM) I'm not really up on their overall defensive abilities but, I know that Kouz made only 3 errors in almost 1200 innings last year at 3b and SD traded him instead of Headley. Headley was more disciplined at the plate than Kouz (not saying much) but he is out of practice at 3B - since he was mostly LF the last two years. I don't know if Morel would be much of an overall upgrade over Headley. Headley can hit a bit better and has great patience at the plate. Kouzmanoff is a damn good fielder at 3B. Headley is a bit more versatile though, can play some LF but will be 3B full-time this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sockin Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 Nothing really new here but Peavy wants A-Gon on the Sox and has already expressed this to Kenny. http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/1298528...aking-own-pitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 QUOTE (Sockin @ Feb 27, 2010 -> 08:53 PM) Nothing really new here but Peavy wants A-Gon on the Sox and has already expressed this to Kenny. http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/1298528...aking-own-pitch Peavy, you know Kenny won't give up Gordon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 28, 2010 Share Posted February 28, 2010 QUOTE (Sockin @ Feb 27, 2010 -> 08:53 PM) Nothing really new here but Peavy wants A-Gon on the Sox and has already expressed this to Kenny. http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/1298528...aking-own-pitch Yeah, I am sure that was a deep conversation... "Hey Kenny, why don't we get this guy, he is a pretty good hitter." "No s*** Jake." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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