SouthsideDon48 Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 I don't mean to bring up a subject everyone already beat to death last season, but I'll be honest, I wish we still had Brandon Allen. Lets just assume that the Adrian Gonzalez rumor will never happen... we could've simply traded Konerko this offseason for a grab-bag of 2 or 3 relievers and then start the 2010 season with Brandon Allen at 1st base. It just seems like Brandon Allen would've served us well as a lefty first baseman if we cannot get Adrian Gonzalez, and that Konerko could've gotten us better relievers than Tony Pena, not to mention more than one reliever that could've pretty much plugged up our bullpen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 QUOTE (SouthsideDon48 @ Nov 19, 2009 -> 08:23 PM) I don't mean to bring up a subject everyone already beat to death last season, but I'll be honest, I wish we still had Brandon Allen. Lets just assume that the Adrian Gonzalez rumor will never happen... we could've simply traded Konerko this offseason for a grab-bag of 2 or 3 relievers and then start the 2010 season with Brandon Allen at 1st base. It just seems like Brandon Allen would've served us well as a lefty first baseman if we cannot get Adrian Gonzalez, and that Konerko could've gotten us better relievers than Tony Pena, not to mention more than one reliever that could've pretty much plugged up our bullpen. Brandon fanned 40 times in just over 100 AB in the major leagues in 2009. He hit below .200 in the AZ fall league. The D-Backs were close to acquiring Lyle Overbay to play 1B in 2010. Allen is far from ready to help a major league team win anything worthwhile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 And I don't think trading Konerko is all that simple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 Brandon Allen isn't a sign, sealed, delivered superstar, i'll never think that Tony Pena was a worthy return, but frankly i'm over it. We've got bigger fish to fry at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 If we still had Brandon Allen, he'd be what he was before, trade bait. I always viewed him as such, only thing is I'm annoyed at what we acquired for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 19, 2009 -> 08:27 PM) Brandon fanned 40 times in just over 100 AB in the major leagues in 2009. He hit below .200 in the AZ fall league. The D-Backs were close to acquiring Lyle Overbay to play 1B in 2010. Allen is far from ready to help a major league team win anything worthwhile. Arizona fans hate the trade just as much as most White Sox fans. Anybody who wishes we still had Allen needs to realize he was simply trade bait. That's it. You can dispute what we got for him until you're blue in the face. But he had no future with the club. If you're a White Sox prospect, you're as good as gone (obviously you have exceptions like Beckham). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPN366 Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 19, 2009 -> 08:27 PM) Brandon fanned 40 times in just over 100 AB in the major leagues in 2009. He hit below .200 in the AZ fall league. The D-Backs were close to acquiring Lyle Overbay to play 1B in 2010. Allen is far from ready to help a major league team win anything worthwhile. There's always time for adjustments in the majors. You know that. Just because someone puts up a bad stat line in 100 AB's doesn't mean they suck. Overbay is a perfect insurance policy guy if Allen were to struggle. I'm sure that's why they were looking at him, especially if all they had to give up was Chris Snyder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 19, 2009 -> 07:28 PM) Arizona fans hate the trade just as much as most White Sox fans. Really, they liked T-Pain that much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 19, 2009 -> 09:34 PM) Really, they liked T-Pain that much? I posted a bunch of quotes from the Arizona board at MLB.COM after the trade was made. They blasted the s*** out of it. Just google the Allen trade thread. They're in there somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 QUOTE (JPN366 @ Nov 19, 2009 -> 09:33 PM) There's always time for adjustments in the majors. You know that. Just because someone puts up a bad stat line in 100 AB's doesn't mean they suck. Overbay is a perfect insurance policy guy if Allen were to struggle. I'm sure that's why they were looking at him, especially if all they had to give up was Chris Snyder. I don't think that's what he meant. I think he meant that it's extremely doubtful Allen would have any impact for the Sox in 2010 if he were still here. As the OP is suggesting. The reason they (Arizona) was interested in Overbay is because they didn't think Allen was ready and wanted him to start at AAA. Not because they wanted him as an insurance policy. That's what I read anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Nov 19, 2009 -> 08:45 PM) Brandon Allen isn't a sign, sealed, delivered superstar, i'll never think that Tony Pena was a worthy return, but frankly i'm over it. We've got bigger fish to fry at this point. Spot on, what from I've said here for a while and agreed 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 Allen = way over-hyped by Hawk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 QUOTE (SouthsideDon48 @ Nov 19, 2009 -> 08:23 PM) I don't mean to bring up a subject everyone already beat to death last season, but I'll be honest, I wish we still had Brandon Allen. Lets just assume that the Adrian Gonzalez rumor will never happen... we could've simply traded Konerko this offseason for a grab-bag of 2 or 3 relievers and then start the 2010 season with Brandon Allen at 1st base. It just seems like Brandon Allen would've served us well as a lefty first baseman if we cannot get Adrian Gonzalez, and that Konerko could've gotten us better relievers than Tony Pena, not to mention more than one reliever that could've pretty much plugged up our bullpen. The White Sox can still trade Paul Konerko (assuming he would accept a trade elsewhere) and then open the season with Mark Kotsay and/or some other cheap option. My point is, trading or keeping Paul Konerko doesn't hinge on Brandon Allen being here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 19, 2009 -> 09:39 PM) I posted a bunch of quotes from the Arizona board at MLB.COM after the trade was made. They blasted the s*** out of it. Just google the Allen trade thread. They're in there somewhere. Yeah, but about 3 weeks after the trade when Allen started tearing up AAA, they changed their minds and were declaring Josh Byrnes a genius for the move. I'm not upset we traded Allen. I just wish we had gotten more for him than Pena. Edited November 20, 2009 by scenario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 19, 2009 -> 10:28 PM) Arizona fans hate the trade just as much as most White Sox fans. Anybody who wishes we still had Allen needs to realize he was simply trade bait. That's it. You can dispute what we got for him until you're blue in the face. But he had no future with the club. If you're a White Sox prospect, you're as good as gone (obviously you have exceptions like Beckham). They're still very bitter about the Quentin trade...so they think they're gettin' the corn cob with any Sox trade from here on out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 QUOTE (Wanne @ Nov 20, 2009 -> 12:56 AM) They're still very bitter about the Quentin trade...so they think they're gettin' the corn cob with any Sox trade from here on out. Well Chris Carter played a vital role in them landing one of the top 10 pitchers in baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simba43 Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 I think Tony Pena will be very good in 2010. In the long run we will all like that trade . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 QUOTE (JPN366 @ Nov 19, 2009 -> 09:33 PM) There's always time for adjustments in the majors. You know that. Just because someone puts up a bad stat line in 100 AB's doesn't mean they suck. Overbay is a perfect insurance policy guy if Allen were to struggle. I'm sure that's why they were looking at him, especially if all they had to give up was Chris Snyder. There was a scout on ESPN about a month ago talking about Allen. He didn't believe Allen was anywhere near ready to be a regular in the majors and questioned if he ever would be, of course scouts have been wrong like everyone else, but there are more signs that Allen isn't ready to contribute than there are signs he is. As for the 100 ABs, if he had the 100 ABs with the White Sox and did the same thing, it would be because of Greg Walker, at least on this board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 20, 2009 -> 07:15 AM) There was a scout on ESPN about a month ago talking about Allen. He didn't believe Allen was anywhere near ready to be a regular in the majors and questioned if he ever would be, of course scouts have been wrong like everyone else, but there are more signs that Allen isn't ready to contribute than there are signs he is. As for the 100 ABs, if he had the 100 ABs with the White Sox and did the same thing, it would be because of Greg Walker, at least on this board. Dick, it is a long offseason. Please leave your personal hangups at the door as much as possible, your constant repitition of this petty argument is just childish at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paint it Black Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 20, 2009 -> 09:17 AM) Dick, it is a long offseason. Please leave your personal hangups at the door as much as possible, your constant repitition of this petty argument is just childish at this point. No, actually he is making a valid point, that I think needs to be stressed. Players are bad because they are bad, not because of some inane coaching argument. I'm already not looking forward to the "Alex Rios sucks I blame Walker" threads that are headed our way in 2010. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 QUOTE (Paint it Black @ Nov 20, 2009 -> 11:22 AM) No, actually he is making a valid point, that I think needs to be stressed. Players are bad because they are bad, not because of some inane coaching argument. I'm already not looking forward to the "Alex Rios sucks I blame Walker" threads that are headed our way in 2010. This point has been stressed so much it is broken. It is not valid, now it is dragging into threads that it doesnt need to be for no reason other than to cause another argument over subject matter not pertaining to the thread subject. Just like the needless Rudy Jaramillo reference in the Adrian Gonzalez thread in Diamond Talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 All the Sox could get for Allen was Tony Pena. I did it in the Iwamura trade thread, but the Rays actually got back a worse reliever than Tony Pena, statistically, and Iwamura has proven a hell of a lot more than Brandon Allen. That is just the going rate for cheap and under control relievers who are in their prime age years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 (edited) To make it as an above-average 1b in MLB...Allen is going to have to be sooo good. We might regret grabbing Peña but we wont see this as a colossal mistake unless something really crazy happens with Allen. We probably shouldnt revisit this for awhile it's like waiting for a comet Edited November 20, 2009 by Princess Dye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan-kwman Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 QUOTE (1977 sox fan @ Nov 20, 2009 -> 04:17 AM) I think Tony Pena will be very good in 2010. In the long run we will all like that trade . I agree, Tony Pena will be good in 2010. A whole spring training with the sox, working with cooper, & a new season to start over. He just has a few things to get him where he needs to be & we could have another nasty reliever to go with Big Bad Bobby & Thorton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 QUOTE (Paint it Black @ Nov 20, 2009 -> 05:22 PM) No, actually he is making a valid point, that I think needs to be stressed. Players are bad because they are bad, not because of some inane coaching argument. I'm already not looking forward to the "Alex Rios sucks I blame Walker" threads that are headed our way in 2010. He brings it up in threads that have nothing to do with Walker, then will complain about others talking about Walker too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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