2nd_city_saint787 Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 its bj ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 22, 2009 -> 01:37 PM) I think its probably someone like Justin Speier, or Eric Gagne or Paul LoDuca. Gagne is pitching in the Independent League, and posted an ERA in the mid-4's last year. It's definitely not him. I think Saint may be on to something here...BJ Ryan does fit quite well with what Doc said as well as what this team needs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Nov 22, 2009 -> 08:47 PM) i am still shock that the hotstove has been the slow burner league wide so far this offseason ...The Winter Meetings aren't even until December 7th. Edited November 22, 2009 by Buehrle>Wood Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 22, 2009 -> 03:13 PM) Gagne is pitching in the Independent League, and posted an ERA in the mid-4's last year. It's definitely not him. I think Saint may be on to something here...BJ Ryan does fit quite well with what Doc said as well as what this team needs... Itd be a potential nice pickup which if he returns to form(i still dont know what his condition is) it could make jenks expendable at mid season if the sox dont think theyre gonna sign him up long term. If he doesnt return to form oh well it should be a very small contract so its low risk high reward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Nov 22, 2009 -> 02:30 PM) Itd be a potential nice pickup which if he returns to form(i still dont know what his condition is) it could make jenks expendable at mid season if the sox dont think theyre gonna sign him up long term. If he doesnt return to form oh well it should be a very small contract so its low risk high reward I think he's able to pitch, but I just don't know that he has anything left in the tank. The Cubs signed him last year and he did nothing for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 22, 2009 -> 02:13 PM) Gagne is pitching in the Independent League, and posted an ERA in the mid-4's last year. It's definitely not him. I think Saint may be on to something here...BJ Ryan does fit quite well with what Doc said as well as what this team needs... Gagne said he was attempting a comeback and would be willing to sign a minor league deal. So it would be a no risk deal. Unless its Laynce Nix and he wants to play with his brother, maybe in Charlotte. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 22, 2009 -> 03:38 PM) Gagne said he was attempting a comeback and would be willing to sign a minor league deal. So it would be a no risk deal. Unless its Laynce Nix and he wants to play with his brother, maybe in Charlotte. I wasn't saying Gagne wouldn't come back. I'm saying why would you want a guy that can't even pitch in the freaking Independent League effectively? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 22, 2009 -> 02:41 PM) I wasn't saying Gagne wouldn't come back. I'm saying why would you want a guy that can't even pitch in the freaking Independent League effectively? The Sox have brought plenty of guys who couldn't do much at lower levels to spring training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 22, 2009 -> 03:43 PM) The Sox have brought plenty of guys who couldn't do much at lower levels to spring training. He does not match the description of this player in the least bit, DA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 22, 2009 -> 02:46 PM) He does not match the description of this player in the least bit, DA. A cheap reclimation project? He might not be able to be reclimated, but he certainly would be a cheap reclimation project who isn't as exciting as the Vizquel signing, which if you think about it, has to be a very dull signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 22, 2009 -> 02:52 PM) A cheap reclimation project? He might not be able to be reclimated, but he certainly would be a cheap reclimation project who isn't as exciting as the Vizquel signing, which if you think about it, has to be a very dull signing. With a much higher ceiling? I would hope if we sign Gagne, we take Kenny to get his brain examined, and we don't tell a soul, for fear of being laughed at for the remainder of the offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 22, 2009 -> 02:54 PM) With a much higher ceiling? I would hope if we sign Gagne, we take Kenny to get his brain examined, and we don't tell a soul, for fear of being laughed at for the remainder of the offseason. Why would BJ Ryan have a much higher ceiling? He was released by 2 teams last year. Toronto has to pay him $10 million in 2010. I think you could say, however, any of the guys mentioned have a higher ceiling if everything goes well than a 43 year old light hitting SS. Edited November 22, 2009 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 22, 2009 -> 02:58 PM) Why would BJ Ryan have a much higher ceiling? He was released by 2 teams last year. Toronto has to pay him $10 million in 2010. I think you could say, however, any of the guys mentioned have a higher ceiling if everything goes well than a 43 year old light hitting SS. Well, my personal choice was Andruw Jones. At least BJ Ryan hasn't been getting lit up in the American Legion leagues... But I guess you're right, they are both probably horrendous. It just seems like Ryan could make a comeback from his health issues, whereas Gagne won't make a comeback from pure suckland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 22, 2009 -> 03:06 PM) Well, my personal choice was Andruw Jones. At least BJ Ryan hasn't been getting lit up in the American Legion leagues... But I guess you're right, they are both probably horrendous. It just seems like Ryan could make a comeback from his health issues, whereas Gagne won't make a comeback from pure suckland. Jones would excite a lot more than Vizquel and Boras is his rep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 22, 2009 -> 04:14 PM) Jones would excite a lot more than Vizquel and Boras is his rep. I don't think Boras really enters into the equation much when it's such a low-value contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 Darren Oliver maybe? I think he's a Type A, but that doesn't matter because our 1st rounder is protected. He'd be worth a second rounder if he comes cheaply enough. I doubt he'd sign this early though without testing the market, and the s***ty deal the Cubs gave Grabow could affect Oliver's market price considerably. As for cheap reclamation projects, there are tons of those guys out there. Maybe an extra starter who could work out of the pen or a lefty reliever? Maybe Ron Mahay or Ron Villone as a lefty specialist? Escobar who was mentioned would be a very nice fit for us because he could pad the bullpen plus act as insurance for Freddy if Hudson becomes settled in a setup role. There are also possibilities of MiLB free agents or players who have been outrighted and cleared waivers. Not much of a hint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 22, 2009 -> 03:15 PM) I don't think Boras really enters into the equation much when it's such a low-value contract. I would think he wouldn't have his client sign what the Sox would want him to sign in November. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 22, 2009 -> 04:18 PM) I would think he wouldn't have his client sign what the Sox would want him to sign in November. DA, I know that you want to be argumentative with me, but for a guy that is not even guaranteed a major league contract, these type of players don't usually pass them up. He had to beg just to get a minor league contract last year so he could learn from Jaramillo, and while he showcased some power, his numbers were again incredibly underwhelming, especially considering he was hitting in optimal situations for him to succeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Nov 22, 2009 -> 12:18 PM) ...The Winter Meetings aren't even until December 7th. Still, aside from the early right after the series Rush, this offseason's been unusually quiet. KW got the Thome deal done right around Thanksgiving in 05, for example. The Winter Meetings is when the Boras guys usually fall, but there's usually more dealings than this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 22, 2009 -> 03:23 PM) DA, I know that you want to be argumentative with me, but for a guy that is not even guaranteed a major league contract, these type of players don't usually pass them up. He had to beg just to get a minor league contract last year so he could learn from Jaramillo, and while he showcased some power, his numbers were again incredibly underwhelming, especially considering he was hitting in optimal situations for him to succeed. I can't see why the Sox would give Jones a guaranteed contract right now, and I can't see Boras having him sign a minor league contract, even if that is all he could command at this particular time. Maybe right before spring training when they know how each roster will be set, but not now. I love how you use the argumentitive thing. You were the one who started arguing with me when I mentioned Gagne. I had recently read how he was going to sign a minor league contract and attempt a comeback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 22, 2009 -> 04:56 PM) I can't see why the Sox would give Jones a guaranteed contract right now, and I can't see Boras having him sign a minor league contract, even if that is all he could command at this particular time. Maybe right before spring training when they know how each roster will be set, but not now. I love how you use the argumentitive thing. You were the one who started arguing with me when I mentioned Gagne. I had recently read how he was going to sign a minor league contract and attempt a comeback. Just because you can't see something certainly does not back up the point you're trying to make. You not seeing something is not a valid point of argument. As for Gagne, I give up. I tried to concede the point to you just to put the issue to rest an hour ago and you are still bringing it back up. Honestly, I disagree with you, but I don't want to argue with you about it. It's not fair to the rest of the forum to have to read through this nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 (edited) Hopefully It's Austin Kearns. QUOTE (League @ Nov 22, 2009 -> 10:36 AM) This is really a shot in the dark, but I've been thinking about the possibility of going after Joaquin Benoit all offseason. Actually... I could see this signing as well. Edited November 22, 2009 by SoxAce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 So should we be expecting two OFFICIAL signings tomorrow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 I'm going to go with Chad Cordero. But I actually don't know if he is a FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 23, 2009 -> 12:29 AM) I'm going to go with Chad Cordero. But I actually don't know if he is a FA. I believe he is actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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