ozzfest Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 (edited) I just don't see a playoff contender with this lineup at all this year. The only thing I am looking forward to this year is our starting rotation....I think our starting pitching is potentially the best in the bigs. I know people are going to tell me that Kenny isn't close to being done or that I'm jumping the gun, but I really believe that what you see right now is what your going to have opening day. Let's simply go around the horn and talk about our starters. C-AJP-----Love AJ but cant throw anyone out. 1B-PK-----Solid power numbers every year, but getting older and very overpaid. 2B-GB---Kenny over managed this situation and should have left him at third, he was playing great. Kalapse thinks he's not going to have a sophomore slump so....that's that. SS-Alexei- I love his potential, but I think this guy is a bonehead. He is asleep at the wheel at short. Can't hit a curveball. 3B-Teahen-One word- Mediocrity. OF-Rios-Who knows? OF-Quentin- If he can stay healthy he can carry the offense as we witnessed two years ago....but that's a big if OF-FA signing or trade-----feel free to throw around ideas for this one...no idea what were going to do. Can anyone explain to me how this lineup can possibly win anything past our division? If only Obama put the White Sox as part of the bailout ....... Edited November 23, 2009 by ozzfest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 (edited) Be patient. They need to get a couple bats and a couple bullpen arms. They will before spring training which is in three months. Edited November 23, 2009 by flavum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 I think you may be the most nervous baseball fan ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Just take a chill-pill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI1020 Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Well then I'm the second most nervous because I pretty much agree with the OP all the way down the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzfest Posted November 23, 2009 Author Share Posted November 23, 2009 QUOTE (SI1020 @ Nov 23, 2009 -> 01:44 PM) Well then I'm the second most nervous because I pretty much agree with the OP all the way down the line. What's OP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 QUOTE (ozzfest @ Nov 23, 2009 -> 12:38 PM) I know people are going to tell me that Kenny isn't close to being done or that I'm jumping the gun, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 QUOTE (ozzfest @ Nov 23, 2009 -> 12:45 PM) What's OP? original poster, so he agrees with you all the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 QUOTE (ozzfest @ Nov 23, 2009 -> 12:38 PM) I just don't see a playoff contender with this lineup at all this year. The only thing I am looking forward to this year is our starting rotation....I think our starting pitching is potentially the best in the bigs. I know people are going to tell me that Kenny isn't close to being done or that I'm jumping the gun, but I really believe that what you see right now is what your going to have opening day. Let's simply go around the horn and talk about our starters. C-AJP-----Love AJ but cant throw anyone out. 1B-PK-----Solid power numbers every year, but getting older and very overpaid. 2B-GB---Sophomore slump very likely. Also Kenny over managed this situation and should have left him at third, he was playing great. SS-Alexei- I love his potential, but I think this guy is a bonehead. He is asleep at the wheel at short. Can't hit a curveball. 3B-Teahen-One word- Mediocrity. OF-Rios-Who knows? OF-Quentin- If he can stay healthy he can carry the offense as we witnessed two years ago....but that's a big if OF-FA signing or trade-----feel free to throw around ideas for this one...no idea what were going to do. Can anyone explain to me how this lineup can possibly win anything past our division? If only Obama put the White Sox as part of the bailout ....... I think the better question is, what makes you think the bolded above is true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 How is a sophmore slump for Beckham "likely". It's certainly possible but what reason is there to believe that it's likely to happen? If you're going to state your concerns about the roster at least be thorough, this is some really lazy analysis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzfest Posted November 23, 2009 Author Share Posted November 23, 2009 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Nov 23, 2009 -> 01:48 PM) How is a sophmore slump for Beckham "likely". It's certainly possible but what reason is there to believe that it's likely to happen? If you're going to state your concerns about the roster at least be thorough, this is some really lazy analysis. http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/...ophomore-slump/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI1020 Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Kalapse @ Nov 23, 2009 -> 07:48 PM) How is a sophmore slump for Beckham "likely". It's certainly possible but what reason is there to believe that it's likely to happen? If you're going to state your concerns about the roster at least be thorough, this is some really lazy analysis. I don't think it's lazy, but it sure as hell is going to be unpopular. I'm willing to go out on a limb and say Beckham won't have the proverbial sophomore slump, but outside of a strong rotation, this team as it currently stands should scare no one. Except perhaps Sox fans who look for a return to the playoffs. Edited November 23, 2009 by SI1020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Yeah for worst case scenarios! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 (edited) If we need a source of optimism... consider that the DH/corner OF positions are easiest to fill with what we need. Power. Have two prospects that we can use in a deal to fill that. We can likely do something with Jenks if more $ is needed. If you can replace Dye and Thome's power somehow (can probably bring back Thome super cheap), then look at all the additional HRs we've added.... Teahan over Getz, Rios over BA/Wise Defense is improved over last opening day. The staff is great, and the pen (as most pens) will depend on someone having a bounceback year, etc. Edited November 23, 2009 by Princess Dye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 QUOTE (SI1020 @ Nov 23, 2009 -> 12:52 PM) I don't think it's lazy, but it sure as hell is going to be unpopular. I'm willing to go out on a limb and say Beckham won't have the proverbial sophomore slump, but outside of a strong rotation, this team as it currently stands should scare no one. Except perhaps Sox fans who look for a return to the playoffs. A few small negatives about a couple players and "who cares" next to Alex Rios's name isn't lazy? It's the definition of lazy. It's hard to disagree that this lineup is completely made up of question marks and if they don't add at least 1 big bat they're going to struggle to contend but you have to break it down significantly more than this if you don't want to come off as alarmist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Ozzfest, you didn't even let yourself be happy for a minute by listing the rotation. They're going to keep the Sox in a lot of games. I have some doubts about the 2010 White Sox, but I'm going to put those away for now and enjoy the 2009-2010 Blackhawks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzfest Posted November 23, 2009 Author Share Posted November 23, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Nov 23, 2009 -> 01:57 PM) If we need a source of optimism... consider that the DH/corner OF positions are easiest to fill with what we need. Power. Have two prospects that we can use in a deal to fill that. We can likely do something with Jenks if more $ is needed. If you can replace Dye and Thome's power somehow (can probably bring back Thome super cheap), then look at all the other HRs we've added.... Teahan over Getz, Rios over BA/Wise Defense is improved over last opening day. The staff is great, and the pen (as most pens) will depend on someone having a bounceback year, etc. I agree. Not 100% well get a good COF and DH.....Wouldn't mind Thome coming back. But we need a OF like Jason Bay. This team needs an offensive stud, whom we don't have... Edited November 23, 2009 by ozzfest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Nov 23, 2009 -> 12:59 PM) "who cares" next to Alex Rios's name isn't lazy? In his defense it was 'who knows' -- and it's about right in that we dont know what we'll get. I would be totally fine with the 2008 numbers....Gladly will take those doubles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI1020 Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Not worst case. The Sox have averaged 80 wins the last three seasons. That's about as good as they look now. Ask me again at the end of spring training. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 As a frame of reference, if Peña can get you Brandon Allen for LF, imagine what Hudson/Flowers could do. Right now may be the last time to move them while there's an element of mystery to each. More in the case of Flowers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 (edited) Also I'm not ready to write off Kotsay as being non-starter quality. He might not give us the power, but he has hit righties well (even when he was w/ Boston) and can play the field better than Pods and Dye. Edited November 23, 2009 by Princess Dye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 QUOTE (ozzfest @ Nov 23, 2009 -> 12:52 PM) http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/...ophomore-slump/ Yeah, I've seen that. Regression to the mean for largely over hyped and soon to be injured rookie of the year winners (interesting sample size), that's not much of a case against Beckham and not exactly Gleeman's finest work. There's a reason Beckham didn't win the award; he didn't play over his head, this is where most rookie of the year winners have trouble, it's hard to improve upon a season that no few thought you were capable of having in the first place. If you think Gordon Beckham will regress to the mean or get hurt then just say that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI1020 Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 QUOTE (Princess Dye @ Nov 23, 2009 -> 08:01 PM) In his defense it was 'who knows' -- and it's about right in that we dont know what we'll get. I would be totally fine with the 2008 numbers....Gladly will take those doubles. Exactly. Ask the fans in Toronto about him. He was way below the Mendoza line for the Sox until picking it up a bit at the end of the year. If he hits .270-.280 and plays above average D I'll be overjoyed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 I tend to be the voice of gloom and doom, I am very calm about the direction of this team. We have some decent prospects, a top 3 rotation, and chips to move around and play with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 23, 2009 -> 10:47 AM) I think the better question is, what makes you think the bolded above is true? The financial constraints of adding Peavy and Rios to the roster? Kenny and JR could always surprise us, but it seems reasonable to assume that the Sox aren't in a position to take on much more salary. Trading Paulie or Jenks could free up payroll for additional moves, but they'd also create holes at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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