Kenny Hates Prospects Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Here's a list of most of the bad contracts in baseball. I left off bad deals that teams obviously aren't going to want to trade, like Torii Hunter, Jeter, etc. as well as bad deals where the trading team has already eaten a large portion of salary, making the deal no longer a bad one (like Lugo for example). Of what is here, is there anything that makes sense for the Sox with Linebrink and Paulie? Is there anything that makes sense for another team? Some of these deals are better than others, but feel free to mix and match because they all suck. C: Jorge Posada 10:$13.1M, 11:$13.1M Chris Snyder 10:$4.75M, 11:$5.75M, 12:$6.75M club option ($0.75M buyout) 1B/DH: Travis Hafner 10:$11.5M, 11:$13M, 12:$13M, 13:$13M club option ($2.75M buyout) Todd Helton 10:$16.6M/year, 11:$19.1M, 12:$23M club option ($4.6M buyout) Paul Konerko 10: $12M Mike Lowell 10:$12M David Ortiz 10:$12.5M, 11:$12.5M club option (no buyout) Lyle Overbay 10:$7M 2B/SS: Luis Castillo 10:$6M, 11:$6M Mark Ellis 10:$5.5M, 11:$6M club option ($0.5M buyout) Christian Guzman 10:$8M Edgar Renteria 10:$9M, 11:$10.5M club option ($0.5M buyout) 3B: Eric Chavez 10:$12M, 11:$12.5M club option ($3M buyout) Brandon Inge 10:$6.6M Michael Young 10-13:$16M annually (total of $15M deferred) OF: Milton Bradley 10:$9M, 11:$12M Pat Burrell 10:$9M Eric Byrnes 10:$11M JD Drew 10:$14M, 11:$14M Kosuke Fukudome 10:$12.5M, 11:$13.5M, 12:$14M player option Carlos Guillen 10:$13M, 11:$13M Jose Guillen 10:$12M Carlos Lee 10:$18.5M, 11:$18.5M, 12:$18.5M Gary Matthews Jr 10:$11M, 11:$12M Magglio Ordonez 10:$18M club option ($3M buyout), 11:$15M club option (no buyout) Juan Pierre 10:$10M, 11:$8.5M Manny Ramirez 10:$20M (voidable) Aaron Rowand 10:$12M, 11:$12M, 12:$12M Alfonso Soriano 10-14:$18M annually Nick Swisher 10:$6.75M, 11:$9M, 12:$10.25M club option ($1M buyout) Willy Taveras 10:$4M Vernon Wells 10:$12.5M, 11:$23M, 12:$21M, 13:$21M, 14:$21M Chris Young 10:$3.25M, 11:$5M, 12:$7M, 13:$8.5M, 14:$11M club option ($1.5M buyout) SP: Bronson Arroyo 10:$11M, 11:$11M club option ($2M buyout) Jeremy Bonderman 10:$12.5M Aaron Cook 10:$9M, 11:$9.25M, 12:$11M mutual option ($0.5M buyout) Ryan Dempster 10:$12.5M, 11:$13.5M, 12:$14M player option Aaron Harang 10:$12.5M, 11:$12.75M ($2M buyout) Kyle Lohse 10:$8.875M, 11:$11.875M, 12:$11.875M Derek Lowe 10:$15M, 11:$15M, 12:$15M Kevin Millwood 10:$12M Jamie Moyer 10:$6.5M Oliver Perez 10:$12M, 11:$12M Nate Robertson 10:$10M Ervin Santana 10:$6M, 11:$8M, 12:$11.2M, 13:$13M club option ($1M buyout) Carlos Silva 10:$11.5M, 11:$11.5M, 12:$12M mutual option ($2M buyout) Jeff Suppan 10:$12.5M, 11:$12.75M club option ($2M buyout) Jake Westbrook 10:$11M Dontrelle Willis 10:$12M Carlos Zambrano 10:$17.875M, 11:$17.875M, 12:$18M, 13:$19.25M vesting player option Barry Zito 10:$18.5M, 11:$18.5M, 12:$19M, 13:$20M, 14:$18M club option ($7M buyout) RP: Francisco Cordero 10:$12M, 11:$12M, 12:$12M club option ($1M buyout) Kyle Farnsworth 10:$4.5M, 11:$5.25M club option ($0.5M buyout) Brad Lidge 10:$11.5M, 11:$11.5M, 12:$12.5M club option ($1.5M buyout) Scott Linebrink 10:$5M, 11:$5.5M Damaso Marte 10:$4M, 11:$4M, 12:$4M club option ($0.25M buyout) David Riske 09:$4.25M, 10:$4.5M, 11:$4.75M club option ($0.25M buyout) JC Romero 10:$4M, 11:$4.5M club option ($0.25M buyout) Kerry Wood 10:$10.5M, 11:$11M club option Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Really trying at this. The thought of one-year hometown discount deals (Pods/Thome) are frighteningly appealing after scanning all this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simba43 Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Nov 24, 2009 -> 07:31 AM) Here's a list of most of the bad contracts in baseball. I left off bad deals that teams obviously aren't going to want to trade, like Torii Hunter, Jeter, etc. as well as bad deals where the trading team has already eaten a large portion of salary, making the deal no longer a bad one (like Lugo for example). Of what is here, is there anything that makes sense for the Sox with Linebrink and Paulie? Is there anything that makes sense for another team? Some of these deals are better than others, but feel free to mix and match because they all suck. C: Jorge Posada 10:$13.1M, 11:$13.1M Chris Snyder 10:$4.75M, 11:$5.75M, 12:$6.75M club option ($0.75M buyout) 1B/DH: Travis Hafner 10:$11.5M, 11:$13M, 12:$13M, 13:$13M club option ($2.75M buyout) Todd Helton 10:$16.6M/year, 11:$19.1M, 12:$23M club option ($4.6M buyout) Paul Konerko 10: $12M Mike Lowell 10:$12M David Ortiz 10:$12.5M, 11:$12.5M club option (no buyout) Lyle Overbay 10:$7M 2B/SS: Luis Castillo 10:$6M, 11:$6M Mark Ellis 10:$5.5M, 11:$6M club option ($0.5M buyout) Christian Guzman 10:$8M Edgar Renteria 10:$9M, 11:$10.5M club option ($0.5M buyout) 3B: Eric Chavez 10:$12M, 11:$12.5M club option ($3M buyout) Brandon Inge 10:$6.6M Michael Young 10-13:$16M annually (total of $15M deferred) OF: Milton Bradley 10:$9M, 11:$12M Pat Burrell 10:$9M Eric Byrnes 10:$11M JD Drew 10:$14M, 11:$14M Kosuke Fukudome 10:$12.5M, 11:$13.5M, 12:$14M player option Carlos Guillen 10:$13M, 11:$13M Jose Guillen 10:$12M Carlos Lee 10:$18.5M, 11:$18.5M, 12:$18.5M Gary Matthews Jr 10:$11M, 11:$12M Magglio Ordonez 10:$18M club option ($3M buyout), 11:$15M club option (no buyout) Juan Pierre 10:$10M, 11:$8.5M Manny Ramirez 10:$20M (voidable) Aaron Rowand 10:$12M, 11:$12M, 12:$12M Alfonso Soriano 10-14:$18M annually Nick Swisher 10:$6.75M, 11:$9M, 12:$10.25M club option ($1M buyout) Willy Taveras 10:$4M Vernon Wells 10:$12.5M, 11:$23M, 12:$21M, 13:$21M, 14:$21M Chris Young 10:$3.25M, 11:$5M, 12:$7M, 13:$8.5M, 14:$11M club option ($1.5M buyout) SP: Bronson Arroyo 10:$11M, 11:$11M club option ($2M buyout) Jeremy Bonderman 10:$12.5M Aaron Cook 10:$9M, 11:$9.25M, 12:$11M mutual option ($0.5M buyout) Ryan Dempster 10:$12.5M, 11:$13.5M, 12:$14M player option Aaron Harang 10:$12.5M, 11:$12.75M ($2M buyout) Kyle Lohse 10:$8.875M, 11:$11.875M, 12:$11.875M Derek Lowe 10:$15M, 11:$15M, 12:$15M Kevin Millwood 10:$12M Jamie Moyer 10:$6.5M Oliver Perez 10:$12M, 11:$12M Nate Robertson 10:$10M Ervin Santana 10:$6M, 11:$8M, 12:$11.2M, 13:$13M club option ($1M buyout) Carlos Silva 10:$11.5M, 11:$11.5M, 12:$12M mutual option ($2M buyout) Jeff Suppan 10:$12.5M, 11:$12.75M club option ($2M buyout) Jake Westbrook 10:$11M Dontrelle Willis 10:$12M Carlos Zambrano 10:$17.875M, 11:$17.875M, 12:$18M, 13:$19.25M vesting player option Barry Zito 10:$18.5M, 11:$18.5M, 12:$19M, 13:$20M, 14:$18M club option ($7M buyout) RP: Francisco Cordero 10:$12M, 11:$12M, 12:$12M club option ($1M buyout) Kyle Farnsworth 10:$4.5M, 11:$5.25M club option ($0.5M buyout) Brad Lidge 10:$11.5M, 11:$11.5M, 12:$12.5M club option ($1.5M buyout) Scott Linebrink 10:$5M, 11:$5.5M Damaso Marte 10:$4M, 11:$4M, 12:$4M club option ($0.25M buyout) David Riske 09:$4.25M, 10:$4.5M, 11:$4.75M club option ($0.25M buyout) JC Romero 10:$4M, 11:$4.5M club option ($0.25M buyout) Kerry Wood 10:$10.5M, 11:$11M club option AFTER looking at that list Konerko contract don't look all that bad . And who knows maybe he will have a very good year this year since its his contract year . As far as linebrink i wish he will just have a decent year . i don't think the we can move either player unless were going to eat some of there salary . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnCangelosi Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Nov 23, 2009 -> 06:31 PM) Here's a list of most of the bad contracts in baseball. I left off bad deals that teams obviously aren't going to want to trade, like Torii Hunter, Jeter, etc. as well as bad deals where the trading team has already eaten a large portion of salary, making the deal no longer a bad one (like Lugo for example). Of what is here, is there anything that makes sense for the Sox with Linebrink and Paulie? Is there anything that makes sense for another team? Some of these deals are better than others, but feel free to mix and match because they all suck. C: Jorge Posada 10:$13.1M, 11:$13.1M Chris Snyder 10:$4.75M, 11:$5.75M, 12:$6.75M club option ($0.75M buyout) 1B/DH: Travis Hafner 10:$11.5M, 11:$13M, 12:$13M, 13:$13M club option ($2.75M buyout) Todd Helton 10:$16.6M/year, 11:$19.1M, 12:$23M club option ($4.6M buyout) Paul Konerko 10: $12M Mike Lowell 10:$12M David Ortiz 10:$12.5M, 11:$12.5M club option (no buyout) Lyle Overbay 10:$7M 2B/SS: Luis Castillo 10:$6M, 11:$6M Mark Ellis 10:$5.5M, 11:$6M club option ($0.5M buyout) Christian Guzman 10:$8M Edgar Renteria 10:$9M, 11:$10.5M club option ($0.5M buyout) 3B: Eric Chavez 10:$12M, 11:$12.5M club option ($3M buyout) Brandon Inge 10:$6.6M Michael Young 10-13:$16M annually (total of $15M deferred) OF: Milton Bradley 10:$9M, 11:$12M Pat Burrell 10:$9M Eric Byrnes 10:$11M JD Drew 10:$14M, 11:$14M Kosuke Fukudome 10:$12.5M, 11:$13.5M, 12:$14M player option Carlos Guillen 10:$13M, 11:$13M Jose Guillen 10:$12M Carlos Lee 10:$18.5M, 11:$18.5M, 12:$18.5M Gary Matthews Jr 10:$11M, 11:$12M Magglio Ordonez 10:$18M club option ($3M buyout), 11:$15M club option (no buyout) Juan Pierre 10:$10M, 11:$8.5M Manny Ramirez 10:$20M (voidable) Aaron Rowand 10:$12M, 11:$12M, 12:$12M Alfonso Soriano 10-14:$18M annually Nick Swisher 10:$6.75M, 11:$9M, 12:$10.25M club option ($1M buyout) Willy Taveras 10:$4M Vernon Wells 10:$12.5M, 11:$23M, 12:$21M, 13:$21M, 14:$21M Chris Young 10:$3.25M, 11:$5M, 12:$7M, 13:$8.5M, 14:$11M club option ($1.5M buyout) SP: Bronson Arroyo 10:$11M, 11:$11M club option ($2M buyout) Jeremy Bonderman 10:$12.5M Aaron Cook 10:$9M, 11:$9.25M, 12:$11M mutual option ($0.5M buyout) Ryan Dempster 10:$12.5M, 11:$13.5M, 12:$14M player option Aaron Harang 10:$12.5M, 11:$12.75M ($2M buyout) Kyle Lohse 10:$8.875M, 11:$11.875M, 12:$11.875M Derek Lowe 10:$15M, 11:$15M, 12:$15M Kevin Millwood 10:$12M Jamie Moyer 10:$6.5M Oliver Perez 10:$12M, 11:$12M Nate Robertson 10:$10M Ervin Santana 10:$6M, 11:$8M, 12:$11.2M, 13:$13M club option ($1M buyout) Carlos Silva 10:$11.5M, 11:$11.5M, 12:$12M mutual option ($2M buyout) Jeff Suppan 10:$12.5M, 11:$12.75M club option ($2M buyout) Jake Westbrook 10:$11M Dontrelle Willis 10:$12M Carlos Zambrano 10:$17.875M, 11:$17.875M, 12:$18M, 13:$19.25M vesting player option Barry Zito 10:$18.5M, 11:$18.5M, 12:$19M, 13:$20M, 14:$18M club option ($7M buyout) RP: Francisco Cordero 10:$12M, 11:$12M, 12:$12M club option ($1M buyout) Kyle Farnsworth 10:$4.5M, 11:$5.25M club option ($0.5M buyout) Brad Lidge 10:$11.5M, 11:$11.5M, 12:$12.5M club option ($1.5M buyout) Scott Linebrink 10:$5M, 11:$5.5M Damaso Marte 10:$4M, 11:$4M, 12:$4M club option ($0.25M buyout) David Riske 09:$4.25M, 10:$4.5M, 11:$4.75M club option ($0.25M buyout) JC Romero 10:$4M, 11:$4.5M club option ($0.25M buyout) Kerry Wood 10:$10.5M, 11:$11M club option Out of all the bad contracts on this page, I think PK is amongst the best of the bad, and I wouldn't even say his is bad, albeit it is a bit pricey. I wouldn't mind dealing Liney for Bradley, as was sugggested earlier, as I think Ozzie can turn the piece of sh*t around and the guy has exceptional talent. I know he's a bad seed and all, but that's what they said about Dennis Rodman as well. When he came to the Bulls, he didn't mess around because he knew MJ was the boss. I believe Ozzie is of the same ilk... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socal Cid Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 How is Alex Rios excluded? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ Nov 23, 2009 -> 06:02 PM) Out of all the bad contracts on this page, I think PK is amongst the best of the bad, and I wouldn't even say his is bad, albeit it is a bit pricey. If we look at all the contracts out there for 1B/DH types, the only thing ok about PK's contract at this point is that it'll end soon. Just in terms of what we could do right now with his salary slot, it does hold us back. Notable because PK's people won those negotiations way back when on an extra year. But the Sox couldnt really afford to part w/ him back then. Edited November 24, 2009 by Princess Dye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted November 24, 2009 Author Share Posted November 24, 2009 QUOTE (Socal Cid @ Nov 23, 2009 -> 06:08 PM) How is Alex Rios excluded? I mentioned above how I excluded deals that aren't going to be traded because the teams themselves don't think they are bad. Rios falls under that umbrella. We wouldn't have claimed the contract if we felt it was a bad one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted November 24, 2009 Author Share Posted November 24, 2009 I would do Linebrink + prospect(s) for Cordero and then trade Jenks, if that was a possibility. Cordero would make about as much as Linebrink + Jenks together this season, but Jenks would make more in 2011, so we could save some cash in 2011 that way while ditching Linebrink. I'd do Wood for Linebrink also if the Indians don't mind making a bad contract swap with a division rival while out of contention. It would be for the same reason as above. We trade Jenks for prospects, we ditch Linebrink, and we save money. There's a clause in Wood's deal that guarantees his 2011 option based on games finished, so that would probably be pretty scary to the Indians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ Nov 23, 2009 -> 07:02 PM) Out of all the bad contracts on this page, I think PK is amongst the best of the bad, and I wouldn't even say his is bad, albeit it is a bit pricey. I wouldn't mind dealing Liney for Bradley, as was sugggested earlier, as I think Ozzie can turn the piece of sh*t around and the guy has exceptional talent. I know he's a bad seed and all, but that's what they said about Dennis Rodman as well. When he came to the Bulls, he didn't mess around because he knew MJ was the boss. I believe Ozzie is of the same ilk... Dennis Rodman was one of the best defensive PFs in the history of the NBA. I don't think Bradley brings any ability remotely comparable to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Nov 23, 2009 -> 04:14 PM) I mentioned above how I excluded deals that aren't going to be traded because the teams themselves don't think they are bad. Rios falls under that umbrella. We wouldn't have claimed the contract if we felt it was a bad one. Rios is still somewhat cheap next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 That Todd Helton contract is quite the albatross, holy cow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Nov 23, 2009 -> 04:14 PM) I mentioned above how I excluded deals that aren't going to be traded because the teams themselves don't think they are bad. Rios falls under that umbrella. We wouldn't have claimed the contract if we felt it was a bad one. The fact that Kenny picked it up doesn't preclude it from being a bad contract. At the very least, it's a dubious contract, especially in this economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 23, 2009 -> 07:21 PM) That Todd Helton contract is quite the albatross, holy cow He keeps producing though and by the time he's done, he should probably be in the Hall, even if his career home and away splits are crazy (1.100 OPS at home, .885 on the road) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balfanman Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 If (IF) K. W. somehow manages to land Adrian Gonzales I would not be upset at all if some version of the Konerko to the Angels for Gary Matthews trade happened. I think that somehow Gary Matthews would not be all that bad at the Cell. His power numbers would probably increase at least a little and at the very worst would provide plus defense for our pitching staff. At that point we could always go to a Thome / Dye / etc. type to D. H. JMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 QUOTE (balfanman @ Nov 24, 2009 -> 08:01 AM) If (IF) K. W. somehow manages to land Adrian Gonzales I would not be upset at all if some version of the Konerko to the Angels for Gary Matthews trade happened. I think that somehow Gary Matthews would not be all that bad at the Cell. His power numbers would probably increase at least a little and at the very worst would provide plus defense for our pitching staff. At that point we could always go to a Thome / Dye / etc. type to D. H. JMHO Wow, this an awful idea. Paul Konerko, while overpaid for his position, is still a valuable offensive player. Even if we were to land Gonzalez, we need some hitters in the lineup who can drive in runs behind him. Unless you are moving Konerko for financial savings so you can sign such a player, you might as well just hold on to him for one more season. Taking on an even worse contract for one of the worst everyday players in baseball is crazy. Even if you are desperate for outfield defense in LF/RF, I'm sure you find just as good of an option who will cost you practically nothing. Hell, Jordan Danks would give you the defense and most likely a better bat (even as a rookie). I don't think you understand how bad Gary Matthews is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balfanman Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 24, 2009 -> 10:28 AM) Unless you are moving Konerko for financial savings so you can sign such a player, you might as well just hold on to him for one more season. That's kind of the point, financial savings. This is to be able to sign a free agent hitter. This was discussed in the Adrian Gonzales thread I believe. Edited November 24, 2009 by balfanman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 24, 2009 -> 09:28 AM) Wow, this an awful idea. Paul Konerko, while overpaid for his position, is still a valuable offensive player. Even if we were to land Gonzalez, we need some hitters in the lineup who can drive in runs behind him. Unless you are moving Konerko for financial savings so you can sign such a player, you might as well just hold on to him for one more season. Taking on an even worse contract for one of the worst everyday players in baseball is crazy. Even if you are desperate for outfield defense in LF/RF, I'm sure you find just as good of an option who will cost you practically nothing. Hell, Jordan Danks would give you the defense and most likely a better bat (even as a rookie). I don't think you understand how bad Gary Matthews is. I agree that taking on Matthews would be a mistake, but I seriously doubt that Jordan Danks would be a better offensive player next year than Matthews would. The only reason I would rather have Danks over Matthews on the Sox next year is because Danks will cost more than $10 million less than Matthews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balfanman Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 24, 2009 -> 12:11 PM) I agree that taking on Matthews would be a mistake, but I seriously doubt that Jordan Danks would be a better offensive player next year than Matthews would. The only reason I would rather have Danks over Matthews on the Sox next year is because Danks will cost more than $10 million less than Matthews. I'm not saying that Gary Matthews would be an ideal outfielder, or the best choice for this team. It might be one of a very few ways that you can dump Konerkos' contract however and you sure could do alot worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 QUOTE (balfanman @ Nov 24, 2009 -> 11:29 AM) I'm not saying that Gary Matthews would be an ideal outfielder, or the best choice for this team. It might be one of a very few ways that you can dump Konerkos' contract however and you sure could do alot worse. Actually, the one team in this that makes a bit of sense for Matthews Jr would be San Diego. Not that he's suddenly going to start hitting by going to one of the best pitchers parks in the game, but they have to field some type of team. It would probably involve the Sox sending Konerko for a prospect and Matthews, and then the Sox sending a package of prospects, including the one they just received, along with Matthews and some cash for Gonzalez. Again, he has no real value, but the Padres aren't going to be competing in the next 2 years anyways, and if he rediscovers some type of form and allows the Padres to get a prospect for him or just straight up eats at bats that would have gone to an underdeveloped prospect, which could stunt the growth of said prospect, then it helps the Padres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 what is the benefit of dumping konerko, only to receive an awful contract in GMJ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 24, 2009 -> 11:54 AM) Actually, the one team in this that makes a bit of sense for Matthews Jr would be San Diego. Not that he's suddenly going to start hitting by going to one of the best pitchers parks in the game, but they have to field some type of team. It would probably involve the Sox sending Konerko for a prospect and Matthews, and then the Sox sending a package of prospects, including the one they just received, along with Matthews and some cash for Gonzalez. Again, he has no real value, but the Padres aren't going to be competing in the next 2 years anyways, and if he rediscovers some type of form and allows the Padres to get a prospect for him or just straight up eats at bats that would have gone to an underdeveloped prospect, which could stunt the growth of said prospect, then it helps the Padres. They do have Gwynn Jr in CF and Venable in either LF/RF. If Kouzmanoff isn't moved, Headley will be there in LF. So, no real spot for Matthews at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 QUOTE (balfanman @ Nov 24, 2009 -> 11:08 AM) That's kind of the point, financial savings. This is to be able to sign a free agent hitter. This was discussed in the Adrian Gonzales thread I believe. I don't see how you would get financial savings by trading for Matthews. He makes more than $10 million per the next two seasons. The Angels would have to give the Sox $8 million just to make the trade an even swap in terms of money. Do you really see them contributing much more than that and giving us a good prospect to make the trade worth our while? I just don't see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balfanman Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 I don't really remember all of the logistics off the top of my head, but there would be prospects going back and forth as well. The main point was having the Angels give cash / prospects and Matthews for Konerko. We'd have Gonzales for 1st base and would be able to shop for DH/ Outfield with Konerkos' salary gone, or just use Matthews in the outfield. We would send whatever prospect we got from the Angels with our own for Gonzales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 There's little doubt in my mind that Jordan Danks would be a more valuable player than Gary Matthews Jr. in 2010 just based on his vastly superior defense alone. Not only has Matthews turned into a dreadful offensive player but his defense has nose dived as well. He has negative value to a team. There's $23M left on that contract ($11M more than Konerko) you'd have to get an unheard of amount of cash in return from the Angels to save money, no part of it makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenny Hates Prospects Posted November 24, 2009 Author Share Posted November 24, 2009 (edited) GMJ at $11M + Gonzalez at $4.75M - Konerko at $12M = upgrading Konerko significantly for $3.75M It would all depend on how much in prospects the Angels would give up in order to dump that contract. Just for example, if doing this allows the Sox to keep Hudson and D2, then we also fill out a setup role in 2010 as well as keep Danks around to step in for GMJ mid-season if it looks like he's ready. I don't think 2010 would be the big issue with GMJ. The major blow to the Sox would be having $17.5M in 2011 locked up between GMJ and Linebrink, which is why I don't think the Sox would make that deal. IMO it still would make sense for the Angels to trade GMJ to the Padres in the deal, with the Sox sending Konerko to the Angels and cash in 2010 to the Padres to bring down GMJ's deal. The Angels would send prospects to the Padres in 2010 to make up for the upgrade of GMJ to Konerko, and the Angels would send lots of cash to the Padres in 2011. If the Angels straight released GMJ it would cost them $23M, but if they could work out a deal with the Padres where the Sox also covered cash, they may have to eat only about $9-10M of that. On the Sox side, they would replace Konerko with Adrian at about the same price while saving on prospects, and they'd be able to bring in a DH off the scrap heap for a few million. Edited November 24, 2009 by Kenny Hates Prospects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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