White Sox Interested In Coco Crisp

[Princess Dye]

i dont care what he hits.

 

Count me in with those who's picky about who gets the most at-bats on the club. Thus the push for Beckham to lead off.

[chetkincaid]

It may not be the best lineup ever...but if everyone puts up sort of their average numbers...

 

Crisp

Becksy

Q

Konerko

Rios

Thome

Ramirez

Teahen

Pierzynski

 

In some order...there's no obvious weak spot there unless Rios can't break his slump, you've got good speed at a number of spots, you've got power at 8 of the spots in the order, everyone there can drive in a run, you have to move some of the LH/RH bats around (I didn't really care there) but that's probably a good enough lineup that, if everyone stays healthy and this pitching staff does what it should...we'd win the Central.

 

 

How many season tickets is this line up going to sell? I wouldn't even be sure that this would win the AL Central... and I KNOW it wouldn't win the World Series. What is there to fear in this line up? CC Sabathia or Josh Beckett would be salivating against this.

[Balta1701]

.... it's still an average to below-average lineup, nothing more.

And an average lineup with a great pitching staff is one way to win a world series, whether the Yankees load up on players or not. In fact, it may wind up being that is one way of building a winning team now that the Yankees have figured out that they shouldn't spend their money on juicers.

[longshot7]

And an average lineup with a great pitching staff is one way to win a world series, whether the Yankees load up on players or not. In fact, it may wind up being that is one way of building a winning team now that the Yankees have figured out that they shouldn't spend their money on juicers.

 

I'm not sure why juicers get such a bad rap considering the numbers they put up.

[Balta1701]

I'm not sure why juicers get such a bad rap considering the numbers they put up.

Yeah, that Giambi contract had nothing at all to do with the fact that the Yankees lost in the 9th inning of the last game of the World Series the season before Giambi arrived and won it the first season after he was gone.

[Princess Dye]

And an average lineup with a great pitching staff is one way to win a world series, whether the Yankees load up on players or not. In fact, it may wind up being that is one way of building a winning team now that the Yankees have figured out that they shouldn't spend their money on juicers.

 

There's the very real possibility that this pitching staff is just solid, not great.

 

Danks is no dominant pitcher. Mark has been up and down. Ever since his Cy Young, Peavy has been less than dominant considering his pitching at Petco

 

 

Most people here want to go in with a solid staff and a fully put together lineup.......That's going to require trading some prospects....And I do not fault them for wanting that. It's a win-now pitching staff, yes, but it's not a dominant one. We have two real solid young guys and two veterans that have had great success in the past.

[Balta1701]

If this pitching staff is solid and not great, there is no change that can be made to this roster offensively that will win them the world series next year, and they may as well go with a youth movement on position players.

[League]

Danks was a dominant pitcher in '08 and a very solid pitcher in '09, Buehrle is being counted on as the #4 starter next year, Peavy is an ace and there is no denying that fact and Floyd had an incredible run this season after they fixed him tipping his pitches.

[MattZakrowski]

I like Crisp, but I don't want him leading off, his value is in the field IMO

[Dick Allen]

Yeah, that Giambi contract had nothing at all to do with the fact that the Yankees lost in the 9th inning of the last game of the World Series the season before Giambi arrived and won it the first season after he was gone.

I think the blame goes to Mike Mussina. They won three in a row. Then he comes, they don't win. He retires, they win.

Edited November 25, 2009 by Dick Allen

[longshot7]

Yeah, that Giambi contract had nothing at all to do with the fact that the Yankees lost in the 9th inning of the last game of the World Series the season before Giambi arrived and won it the first season after he was gone.

 

I'm still in favor of every player on our team being on the juice if it translated to another championship, integrity be damned.

[Kalapse]

coco/pods are about the same type of player; over 30, can't steal more than 30 base without getting caught 15+, no power, aweful arms. I'd rather bring back Pods or SPEND SOME MONEY and get somebody GOOD.

30 years old isn't over 30, Crisp does have a consistently better ISO than Pods, Crisp stole 28 bases with 6 CS in '07, 13 SB and 2 CS in 50 games last year and has an 81% SB% since '06 and he's actually capable of playing above average defense.

[Princess Dye]

If this pitching staff is solid and not great, there is no change that can be made to this roster offensively that will win them the world series next year, and they may as well go with a youth movement on position players.

 

It's that cut-and-dry in the NBA, but not MLB. We can be better than the '06 Cardinals. You at least have a chance when you're in the playoffs.....but once in I'd sure prefer my chances with above-average in BOTH offense and pitching

 

It would take the current staff plus two major offensive acquisitions. Would mean trading our top prospects for one guy, perhaps Matsui signing for the other.

 

Any way you slice it, we're going to be hardpressed to be a top AL team next year. But I just feel it's more possible w/o the scrap heap acquisitions. Definitely easier said than done though. If forced though I would take Crisp over Pods.

Edited November 25, 2009 by Princess Dye

[chw42]

How many season tickets is this line up going to sell? I wouldn't even be sure that this would win the AL Central... and I KNOW it wouldn't win the World Series. What is there to fear in this line up? CC Sabathia or Josh Beckett would be salivating against this.

 

Carlos Quentin?

 

I mean come on, has Q degraded to merely nothing in the span of one year?

 

 

[League]

Carlos Quentin?

 

I mean come on, has Q degraded to merely nothing in the span of one year?

That Beckham dude is pretty good too.

[simba43]

Danks was a dominant pitcher in '08 and a very solid pitcher in '09, Buehrle is being counted on as the #4 starter next year, Peavy is an ace and there is no denying that fact and Floyd had an incredible run this season after they fixed him tipping his pitches.

Danks was dominant in 2008 ? he was 12-9 3.32era 195inn 182 hits 159 SO . WELL he was good but i wouldn't say he was dominant . Floyd pitched better in 08 then Danks or about the same

[Balta1701]

Danks was dominant in 2008 ? he was 12-9 3.32era 195inn 182 hits 159 SO . WELL he was good but i wouldn't say he was dominant .

You do realize that a 3.32 ERA in 2008 was the 5th best ERA in teh American league?

[Quin]

It's that cut-and-dry in the NBA, but not MLB. We can be better than the '06 Cardinals. You at least have a chance when you're in the playoffs.....but once in I'd sure prefer my chances with above-average in BOTH offense and pitching

 

It would take the current staff plus two major offensive acquisitions. Would mean trading our top prospects for one guy, perhaps Matsui signing for the other.

 

Any way you slice it, we're going to be hardpressed to be a top AL team next year. But I just feel it's more possible w/o the scrap heap acquisitions. Definitely easier said than done though. If forced though I would take Crisp over Pods.

 

The pitching staff will be great if we get 2 big bats. It will be solid if we don't.

 

The staff will need run support, so we're gonna have to acquire some bats, whether it be Gonzalez, Crawford, or Upton.

[Kenny Hates Prospects]

If we could find some way to unload Paulie while picking up Adrian, it would make worlds of sense to sign Matsui as a DH if he's still out there. Bringing in Matsui would be a nice way to attract Japanese sponsors and maybe give us a little more to work with.

 

That said, I think we have a better shot at landing Adrian than we have trying to unload Paulie without eating significant cash or taking on an even worse contract.

[chw42]

You do realize that a 3.32 ERA in 2008 was the 5th best ERA in teh American league?

 

Plus, Danks was worth 5.2 wins that year. Anything above 4 is all-star caliber.

 

Danks owned in 08.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

Seems to me a pattern is emerging if the Sox do indeed sign Crisp. While it wouldn't excite anyone and there'd be some backlash it seems obvious to me it would be for a backup role. If it happens, what KW is doing is solidifying his bench. Both Vizquel and Crisp switch hit, both are above average defensively. Both will be cheap and short term purchases. KW wants defense , speed and versatility in his reserves after watching Betemit play crap D and Nix playing out of position too often. Both can bunt too if I'm not mistaken ( I know Vizquel can) and that's another area we sucked at last year. Early in the off season make the bench solid then use the rest of the off season to do anything major.

 

Since the starting infield D and bullpen are questionable another big bat and Quentin returning to form would be changes that solidify the offense and the team as a whole in a big way .

Edited November 25, 2009 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

Frankly, I still think Thome replaces Thome.

 

If you also go deeper than that, Teahen is replacing Getz, but also Beckham is replacing Beckham for 1/2 the season and Fields for 1/2 the season. Rios and Crisp would be replacing Dye and Pods and Anderson and our Dewayne Wise leadoff experiment. There were a fair number of at bats that guys got last year for development that they failed to do anything with.

And Peavy replacing Contreras/Colon/Richard means the DH role doesn't having to be as strong with the improved defense and starting pitching and bench . We'd open the year in much better shape than last year IF we can add that one big OF bat that plays decent D or can rid ourselves of some money and add a big bat somewhere else. Vizquel, Crisp , Kotsay sure seems better than Betemit, Anderson, Lillibridge for reserves . Removing the D of Pods and Dye and almost anything you throw out is an improvement at least defensively.

[jenksycat]

Danks was dominant in 2008 ? he was 12-9 3.32era 195inn 182 hits 159 SO . WELL he was good but i wouldn't say he was dominant . Floyd pitched better in 08 then Danks or about the same

 

If you ignore all stats besides the meaningless W-L, then yes, Danks was average.

[Ranger]

You'd hope though just last year our starting CF and leadoffman was DeWayne Wise so anything is possible.

 

DeWayne Wise was not their first choice. That wasn't who they really wanted on opening day.

 

.... it's still an average to below-average lineup, nothing more.

 

 

That's a gross over exaggeration. If all of those guys produce to what is expected of them, that's not a below average lineup.

 

 

How many season tickets is this line up going to sell? I wouldn't even be sure that this would win the AL Central... and I KNOW it wouldn't win the World Series. What is there to fear in this line up? CC Sabathia or Josh Beckett would be salivating against this.

 

No lineup would "sell" season tickets for the White Sox. Unless they, somehow, were able to acquire Pujols or Ichiro (moreso someone of Pujols' caliber) during the offseason. Otherwise, they're going to have to win a lot for 2-3 months before people start selling out the park. Such is the nature of baseball on the south side.

 

Also, you don't know it wouldn't win the Series. It may not look overwhelming, but that lineup COULD win it IF the pitching staff (including the pen) does what it should. The "fear" thing is terribly overrated, by the way. Teams were not "afraid" of the Sox 2005 lineup, but they won 99 games in the regular season.

Edited November 25, 2009 by Ranger

[greg775]

I just wonder why we all assume Crisp will be good defensively. Surgery on both shoulders for a guy already not known for a gun?

Ranger's point is well taken IF everybody hits like they are capable we might be OK. Big if, but it's possible the lineup might score some runs. I wish they'd sign Thome and get that taken care of.