southsider2k5 Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Dec 2, 2009 -> 09:28 AM) In baseball, elbow inflammation is not an injury. It's a symptom of poor mechanics and poor conditioning. No, it's not always. It could also be a correction of mechanics, putting him into an arm slot he hasn't used before. Anytime you start using new muscles and tendons, you risk injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 2, 2009 -> 08:26 AM) So it what, five or six games, you have seen enough of two minor leaguers that you can project their minor league arc AND their major league futures? Quit your day job, and go into baseball. You were "curious" and I answered your question. Was I not supposed to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Dec 2, 2009 -> 10:28 AM) In baseball, elbow inflammation is not an injury. It's a symptom of poor mechanics and poor conditioning. No it's not. As Mike said it could be a mechanical issue. I slightly tore something in my shoulder in high school when I played baseball and it had nothing to do with conditioning. I see you did mention mechanics. However, mechanical problems and conditioning problems are two very different issues. Edited December 2, 2009 by ChiSox_Sonix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 2, 2009 -> 09:31 AM) No, it's not always. It could also be a correction of mechanics, putting him into an arm slot he hasn't used before. Anytime you start using new muscles and tendons, you risk injuries. He played a full AA season at 3B. His mechanics were addressed almost a year ago when he prepped for ST. There are no variances in arm slot for 3B like there is across the field at 2B. The point is, if he maintained his workouts he wouldn't have had that problem. Shutting Viciedo down in AZ was not taken lightly. The AFL was considered an important measure of his first year progress after committing a critical $10M to him last offseason. That $10M could be used to sign a key FA these days. The Sox as an organization are not standing for these conditioning issues anymore as has been widely reported recently and they shouldn't. I like that the team is prioritizing defense and conditioning this year. Those are two "secondary concerns" that hurt the team in 2009. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Dec 2, 2009 -> 09:40 AM) No it's not. As Mike said it could be a mechanical issue. I slightly tore something in my shoulder in high school when I played baseball and it had nothing to do with conditioning. I see you did mention mechanics. However, mechanical problems and conditioning problems are two very different issues. They are different but they are a critical marriage. Conditioning is not just cardio and diet. It's maintaining the optimal "condition" of your body to deliver. Poor conditioning of muscles/tendons...etc. allows for poor mechanics to result in injury. Mechanics alone didn't cause your injury. Mechanics alone would have simply allowed/not allowed you to execute the plays effectively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Dec 2, 2009 -> 09:43 AM) He played a full AA season at 3B. His mechanics were addressed almost a year ago when he prepped for ST. There are no variances in arm slot for 3B like there is across the field at 2B. The point is, if he maintained his workouts he wouldn't have had that problem. Shutting Viciedo down in AZ was not taken lightly. The AFL was considered an important measure of his first year progress after committing a critical $10M to him last offseason. That $10M could be used to sign a key FA these days. The Sox as an organization are not standing for these conditioning issues anymore as has been widely reported recently and they shouldn't. I like that the team is prioritizing defense and conditioning this year. Those are two "secondary concerns" that hurt the team in 2009. This stuff doesn't have to happen right away. Also realize he played more games this year than he ever has played, with new mechanics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
League Posted December 2, 2009 Share Posted December 2, 2009 Viciedo had never played as much as he did this year. The Cuban season is shorter and he participated in Spring Training, his arm got fatigued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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