GreatScott82 Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 The Red Sox seem to be desperate for a SS. They don't seem that interested in bringing back Orlando Cabrera or taking a stab at Miguel Tejada. That being said- that trade speculation John Heyman made a month and half ago may still work good for both teams. I believe it was Bobby Jenks and Alexei Ramirez for Elsbury, Bard and Okajima. . Not saying its going to happen but a very interesting possibility. We get our leadoff hitter and add more depth to the pen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Nov 27, 2009 -> 01:48 PM) The Red Sox seem to be desperate for a SS. They don't seem that interested in bringing back Orlando Cabrera or taking a stab at Miguel Tejada. That being said- that trade speculation John Heyman made a month and half ago may still work good for both teams. I believe it was Bobby Jenks and Alexei Ramirez for Elsbury, Bard and Okajima. . Not saying its going to happen but a very interesting possibility. We get our leadoff hitter and add more depth to the pen. done and done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Who becomes our long term SS then? If we still had Getz, then I guess you could say move Bacon to SS and hope he improves, but you end up opening a very big hole which would be super expensive. Sox actually have an advantage to have such a cheap, good option at short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Nov 27, 2009 -> 07:55 PM) Who becomes our long term SS then? If we still had Getz, then I guess you could say move Bacon to SS and hope he improves, but you end up opening a very big hole which would be super expensive. Sox actually have an advantage to have such a cheap, good option at short. There are a lot of 2b options out there currently--Hudson, Polanco, Felipe Lopez. 2b is a lot easier to fill than SS. The sox would have to be positive Gordon could handle SS fulltime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted November 27, 2009 Author Share Posted November 27, 2009 QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Nov 27, 2009 -> 01:55 PM) Who becomes our long term SS then? If we still had Getz, then I guess you could say move Bacon to SS and hope he improves, but you end up opening a very big hole which would be super expensive. Sox actually have an advantage to have such a cheap, good option at short. I would assume they would move Bacon over to SS and go out and sign a Polanco or O-Hudson as their 'big free agent signing' of the winter. I'm guessing Polanco could be had for a 2 year $12 million deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Unless they see Papelbon or Jenks in a different role...why would they want Bobby? I'm not crazy about this idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 QUOTE (Wanne @ Nov 27, 2009 -> 02:04 PM) Unless they see Papelbon or Jenks in a different role...why would they want Bobby? I'm not crazy about this idea. Bard has Jenks arm from 2005, Okajima is still pretty effective, and Ellsbury is only going to get better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Be wary of the Red Sox. If they want Alexei, then that means Bill James thinks Alexei is a star in the making. James knows his s*** and he is the Bosox player adviser. I think Alexei should be close to untouchable with what he's shown so far this early in his career. If we deal him, we better get big time talent back and not let somebody steal him. I'm not crazy about his defense at ss but he has shown big time potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 What's wrong with Nick Green and Jed Lowrie? Not good enough I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted November 27, 2009 Author Share Posted November 27, 2009 QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 27, 2009 -> 02:08 PM) Be wary of the Red Sox. If they want Alexei, then that means Bill James thinks Alexei is a star in the making. James knows his s*** and he is the Bosox player adviser. I think Alexei should be close to untouchable with what he's shown so far this early in his career. If we deal him, we better get big time talent back and not let somebody steal him. I'm not crazy about his defense at ss but he has shown big time potential. Ellsbury would be that big time talent. He is 26 years old, stole 70 bases, hit .301 and had an OBP of .355 in 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeFabregas Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 I believe that Nomah is available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 NO-MAAAAH!!!! Alexei for Papelbon, Lester and Pedroia. GET IT DUNNN KW! Honestly, Jenks would not make sense for Boston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Nov 27, 2009 -> 03:15 PM) Ellsbury would be that big time talent. He is 26 years old, stole 70 bases, hit .301 and had an OBP of .355 in 2009. Ding ding ding... yes lexi gives us some pop which we are somewhat lacking but Ellsbury is a "rich mans" scotty pods. Then we can get a guy like a Hudson or Polanco both of which would look great in the 2 hole which allows becks to move to the 3 hole which then makes the middle of the lineup look more dangerous. Hell id be content with throwin omar out there for a year and hope CJ develops more and is able to become a full time player. I also wouldnt mind sending omar out there in the 2 hole because he can get the little things done like iguchi did for us in 05. Jacoby OF Omar 2B (or FA signing) Becks SS CQ OF/DH Kong 1B/DH AJ C Rios OF Teahan 3B Kotsay OF/DH/1B (or Fa signing) Peavy Buehrle Floyd Danks Garcia DJ RH LR Williams LH LR (or FA signing Linebrink RH MR Okajima LH MR Pena RH SU Thornton LH SU Bard CL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Well, I was actually thinking about this trade last night. Can someone fill me in on why the BoSox would trade Ellsbury? Do they have a ready to go CF prospect (I doubt BA is their solution). But I'd do it, because it fills 3 holes...Leadoff, OF, and Bullpen. Move Jacoby to LF (isn't Rios a better defender?) and Quentin to right and you've got your speedy LF guy, defensive possible all-star bat in CF, and power bat in right. Then I still do the "please can't these die" rumors of the Sox getting Gonzalez, by giving up any 5-6 players the Padres want from the minors. Even D2 at this point, since Ellsbury would pretty much kill chances of him starting here for a while. Sign Blanco for backup C. Then, for the SS/2B hole, I sign Uribe/Hudson/Polanco. And if that's not possible and we are able to keep Retherford in the AGon deal...well, I'd be against starting CJ at 2B, but would be OK with it since we'd have this lineup (Note: CJ not included in mockup) LF - Ellsbury SS/2B - Uribe/Hudson/Polanco 2B/SS - Beckham 1B - Gonzalez RF - Quentin DH - Konerko CF - Rios C - AJ 3B - Teahen SP - Buehrle SP - Peavy SP - Danks SP - Floyd SP - Garcia CL - Thornton SU - Bard SU - Okajima MRP - Pena MRP - Linebrink LRP - Carrasco LRP - Torres/Hynick/Nunez (depends on who's still with organization) 1B/OF - Kotsay OF - Jones 2B/SS/3B - Vizquel C - Blanco Only thing I dislike is there really isn't a speed guy on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Yeah, if the Sox trade Alexei to Boston, it has to be for Ellsbury...otherwise I wouldn't make that trade. It has to be for an everyday player. I think Beckham would be a solid, but not great, shortstop. I know he'd like that move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted November 27, 2009 Author Share Posted November 27, 2009 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Nov 27, 2009 -> 03:21 PM) Well, I was actually thinking about this trade last night. Can someone fill me in on why the BoSox would trade Ellsbury? Do they have a ready to go CF prospect (I doubt BA is their solution). Boston has a lot of depth in the farm, not to mention they will be signing Bay or Halladay to take the other open OF spot. I could also see them go after Granderson if they deal Ellsbury away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 I still don't get why everybody is so ready to just throw Beckham in the 3 hole. IMO...he's just NOT ready for that role yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 QUOTE (Wanne @ Nov 27, 2009 -> 03:38 PM) I still don't get why everybody is so ready to just throw Beckham in the 3 hole. IMO...he's just NOT ready for that role yet. Gordon's gonna hit .500-100 HR-300 RBI next year . I just wanna see what he could do there, because I can see him excelling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted November 27, 2009 Author Share Posted November 27, 2009 QUOTE (Wanne @ Nov 27, 2009 -> 03:38 PM) I still don't get why everybody is so ready to just throw Beckham in the 3 hole. IMO...he's just NOT ready for that role yet. I actually think Beckham would do wonders in the 3 hole. Unlike most hitters in our lineup- Bacon has the ability to hit to the opposite side of the field and find the gaps. He could have a very big year offensively in the 3 hole if given the opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Nov 27, 2009 -> 04:56 PM) I actually think Beckham would do wonders in the 3 hole. Unlike most hitters in our lineup- Bacon has the ability to hit to the opposite side of the field and find the gaps. He could have a very big year offensively in the 3 hole if given the opportunity. Maybe the year after...and I agree with your thinking...but just not this next year for the Soph. I'd just give him another year under his belt. Of course that's just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 I would jump for joy if we can get Okajima, Bard, and Ellsbury. Seems kind of unrealistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 QUOTE (chw42 @ Nov 27, 2009 -> 10:27 PM) I would jump for joy if we can get Okajima, Bard, and Ellsbury. Seems kind of unrealistic. It is and the folks we would be giving up simply opens more holes in our line up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted November 27, 2009 Author Share Posted November 27, 2009 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 27, 2009 -> 04:44 PM) It is and the folks we would be giving up simply opens more holes in our line up Kind of. At the same time you strengthen your pen, and could shift Bacon to SS and sign a 2B via free agency at a reasonable market price. Hudson and Polanco are both players KW has shown interest in previous years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Would Nix, Vizquel or Retherford be a decent 2B option if this happens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 QUOTE (knightni @ Nov 27, 2009 -> 07:20 PM) Would Nix, Vizquel or Retherford be a decent 2B option if this happens? With the pitching staff we have id love to have a good defense behind em so Vizquel would work for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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