ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 Uggla expects to be traded. What would the Marlins want? Package around Alexei + Flowers/Danks? Becks moves back to SS, Uggla to 2B obviously.... 1) Beckham SS 2) Uggla 2B 3) Quentin LF 4) Konerko 1B 5) Pierzynski C 6) Jones DH 7) Rios CF 8) Teahan 3B 9) Kotsay RF ? Or maybe we give them one of Danks/Floyd instead of Alexei and keep Alexei at SS, Becks at 3B, Uggla at 2B, and Teahan into the OF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 Ugh, another Beckham to SS thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 Oh and he would literally be one of the worst fits for a #2 hitter out there. The guy would k 150 times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 Dan Uggla doesn't have a lot of trade value given the Marlins' necessity to trade him, his s*** defense at 2B and his unwillingness to play any other position. He's not a fit for the Sox. And Alexei is going no where. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 3, 2009 Author Share Posted December 3, 2009 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 3, 2009 -> 04:53 PM) Oh and he would literally be one of the worst fits for a #2 hitter out there. The guy would k 150 times. irrelevant though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 3, 2009 Author Share Posted December 3, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 3, 2009 -> 04:54 PM) his s*** defense at 2B Yeah, his 2009 was awful, but in 2008 he actually had a pretty good year, as well as a great year in 2006. And he would be acquired for his bat, not his glove. Edited December 3, 2009 by JoeCoolMan24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Dec 3, 2009 -> 05:01 PM) Yeah, his 2009 was awful, but in 2008 he actually had a pretty good year. And he would be acquired for his bat, not his glove. He's a poor defender, a fluctuation in UZR isn't going to convince me otherwise all you have to do is watch him, he's just not comfortable in the field. You can acquire him for his bat but that glove is still coming right along with him and it will be costing you runs especially in the double plays he fails to turn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 3, 2009 Author Share Posted December 3, 2009 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 3, 2009 -> 05:03 PM) He's a poor defender, a fluctuation in UZR isn't going to convince me otherwise. You can acquire him for his bat but that glove is still coming right along with him and it will be costing you runs especially in the double plays he fails to turn. Assuming Alexei is kept in any deal, and it's pitchers being dealt, he would be replacing Kotsay/Teahan in the lineup. I am certain he would produce more runs than both of them combined, regardless of defensive follies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 3, 2009 -> 05:03 PM) He's a poor defender, a fluctuation in UZR isn't going to convince me otherwise all you have to do is watch him, he's just not comfortable in the field. You can acquire him for his bat but that glove is still coming right along with him and it will be costing you runs especially in the double plays he fails to turn. Remember that all star game a few years back where he made 2 or 3 errors in a row? No thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Dec 3, 2009 -> 05:06 PM) Assuming Alexei is kept in any deal, and it's pitchers being dealt, he would be replacing Kotsay/Teahan in the lineup. I am certain he would produce more runs than both of them combined, regardless of defensive follies. Except then you still have to pay Teahen and give up a decent package of players to acquire Uggla, then you have to pay him ~$9M+ in arbitration. You're filling the position that isn't open with a severely flawed, expensive player while limiting your ability to fill other holes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Dec 3, 2009 -> 04:55 PM) irrelevant though. No, but the fact that he fits nowhere on this team and isnt an improvement over our current middle infielders is totally relevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Dec 3, 2009 -> 10:55 PM) irrelevant though. You don't trade that much taelnt for one fellow who has a cast iron mitt for a glove. Plus I think the team is pretty well set other than needing a leadoff man, possible OF'er and relief help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowand's rowdies Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 i actually like him for DH, this guy can hit. he strikes out, but so did jim and so does every power hitter. if he can come for maybe torres, mitchell, and a mid level spect, i love it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemon_44 Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Dec 3, 2009 -> 05:51 PM) Uggla expects to be traded. What would the Marlins want? Package around Alexei + Flowers/Danks? Becks moves back to SS, Uggla to 2B obviously.... 1) Beckham SS 2) Uggla 2B 3) Quentin LF 4) Konerko 1B 5) Pierzynski C 6) Jones DH 7) Rios CF 8) Teahan 3B 9) Kotsay RF ? Or maybe we give them one of Danks/Floyd instead of Alexei and keep Alexei at SS, Becks at 3B, Uggla at 2B, and Teahan into the OF? i wouldn't trade any of those guys straight up for Uggla let alone in a a package Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthsideDon48 Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 I think Uggla can be had for a package of prospects like: Shelby, Morel, Retherford, and Santos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 QUOTE (SouthsideDon48 @ Dec 3, 2009 -> 06:43 PM) I think Uggla can be had for a package of prospects like: Shelby, Morel, Retherford, and Santos. Morel is just about the only guy that has value in that bunch, Shelby is really nothing of value at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 4, 2009 Author Share Posted December 4, 2009 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 3, 2009 -> 05:14 PM) No, but the fact that he fits nowhere on this team and isnt an improvement over our current middle infielders is totally relevant. I just meant irrelevant in a sense that I doubt Kenny would turn down a trade solely based on "he is not a very good #2 hitter". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 good god that would be a horrific trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 3, 2009 -> 07:16 PM) Morel is just about the only guy that has value in that bunch, Shelby is really nothing of value at all. Shelby was just left off of the 40 man roster and exposed to the Rule V draft. That should say it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Dec 3, 2009 -> 04:51 PM) Uggla expects to be traded. What would the Marlins want? Package around Alexei + Flowers/Danks? Becks moves back to SS, Uggla to 2B obviously.... 1) Beckham SS 2) Uggla 2B 3) Quentin LF 4) Konerko 1B 5) Pierzynski C 6) Jones DH 7) Rios CF 8) Teahan 3B 9) Kotsay RF ? Or maybe we give them one of Danks/Floyd instead of Alexei and keep Alexei at SS, Becks at 3B, Uggla at 2B, and Teahan into the OF? Alexei and Flowers/Danks? Get out of here, no way. Dan Uggla is barely good enough to warrant Alexei alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 3, 2009 -> 10:28 PM) Alexei and Flowers/Danks? Get out of here, no way. Dan Uggla is barely good enough to warrant Alexei alone. I wouldn't trade Alexei straight up for Uggla. He doesn't bring nearly enough to the table to warrant his $9M price tag and he's a definite non-tender candidate for 2011 when you're looking at paying him $11M to be a homeless man's Adam Dunn and all the while he's not happy unless he's at 2B. Meanwhile Alexei will be paid $2.2M over the next 2 seasons with still 2 more years of arbitration coming after that, if he can get his wOBA up into the .335-.340 territory and play a good shortstop he's easily the much more valuable commodity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.J. Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 Echoing that Alexei is a more valuable player than Uggla. Uggla will be moved and probably won't have a huge price tag, but if we're going to make a package for a hitter I'd rather have an outfielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 IMO.. our IF is set. Unless its a considerable upgrade at a position (something KW operates in or for example.. an Adrian Gonzalez at 1B) we are pretty much set and usual rumors about players at IF spots (though it's nice to talk about) should not be getting riled up about. I'm more interested to see what we do in the OF spots (minus Rios in CF) and possibly DH and the bullpen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan3530 Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 has alexei fallen so out of favor on this board that people would consider giving up danks/floyd and the missle for the likes of Dan Uggla???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 QUOTE (soxfan3530 @ Dec 4, 2009 -> 09:37 AM) has alexei fallen so out of favor on this board that people would consider giving up danks/floyd and the missle for the likes of Dan Uggla???? Don't put one person's TERRIBLE trade proposal on the entire board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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